Khyrindor Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 I haven't read through much on the reactions thread yet, so apologies if someone has thought of this already. In today's chapters, we learn a whole lot about Re-Shephir, the Midnight Mother. We learn that it is what caused the Midnight Essence and that it is not entirely cognizant. Particularly interesting to me is that it had been imprisoned before, and recently loosed. This brings me to the thought that, perhaps, it arrived in Urithiru with its current inhabitants, via the strange, infamous, Black Spheres that the Sons of Honor have been known to possess. It seems entirely likely and possible to me that Amaram could have been in possession of a black sphere that (if the main theories are correct) can hold and trap and Unmade, like a gemstone with spren. Perhaps Amaram loosed it as a twisted way of trying to bring about more Radiants, or Heralds, as we've known the Sons of Honor like doing, misguided though they are. I doubt Amaram knew totally of the power that he unwittingly released (if he did) and I will laugh when it blows up in his face. Another culprit I briefly thought of was Taravangian, but he only just arrived, when we've been dealing with the copycat killer for a while now. Anyway, chapters were good today. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong if there's something I missed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucck Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) Quote The creature trembled, and Shallan finally saw the reason for its fear. It had been trapped. The event had happened recently in the spren’s reckoning, though Shallan had the impression that in fact centuries upon centuries had passed. I took this to mean that the imprisonment had ended centuries ago, but because the Unmade are so old it's still relatively recent in Re-Shephir's history/memory. Sort of how like the Stormfather would think the Recreance was recent history. Edited October 31, 2017 by Canucck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kari-no-sugata Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 15 minutes ago, Canucck said: I took this to mean that the imprisonment had ended centuries ago, but because the Unmade are so old it's still relatively recent in Re-Shephir's history/memory. Sort of how like the Stormfather would think the Recreance was recent history. This only tells us how "recent" the start of the imprisonment was. I don't think it says anything about how recently it was released. But thematically it would make more sense if it was tied into things Galivar (or someone similar) was up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salkara Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 1 hour ago, Rider of Storms said: Particularly interesting to me is that it had been imprisoned before, and recently loosed. The chapters said it was trapped long ago but not when it was released. Quote The creature trembled, and Shallan finally saw the reason for its fear. It had been trapped. The event had happened recently in the spren’s reckoning, though Shallan had the impression that in fact centuries upon centuries had passed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gigalemesh Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 I was of the understanding that both the trapping and releasing had happened centuries ago, and I still think that is the case, but you're right that the text doesn't necessarily say that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govir Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 I believe the first copy cat murder happens before Amaram shows up, but I'm terrible at the timeline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khyrindor Posted October 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 Amaram was among the first group, but Dalinar hadn't seen him since, after the first murder, I believe. Sadeas' camp was one of the first, wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govir Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 12 minutes ago, Rider of Storms said: Amaram was among the first group, but Dalinar hadn't seen him since, after the first murder, I believe. Sadeas' camp was one of the first, wasn't it? I remember that Amaram came with one of the groups from the Warcamps, I just thought it was after Sadeas's death. I'll have to keep an eye out for the specific timing when I reread this part in two weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreith Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 12 minutes ago, Govir said: I remember that Amaram came with one of the groups from the Warcamps, I just thought it was after Sadeas's death. I'll have to keep an eye out for the specific timing when I reread this part in two weeks. Quote “Amaram is here?” Adolin asked. “When?” “He arrived with the last caravan and scavenging crew that you brought through the Oathgate. He didn’t make himself known to the tower, but to me alone. We have been seeing to his needs, as he was caught out in a storm with his attendants. He assures me he will return to duty soon, and will make finding my husband’s murderer a priority.” this from chapter 22 well after the copycat murders start. That's not to say that Ialai is for sure telling the truth, but until proven otherwise, I prefer to take it at face value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 To me, there is a couple of things that fail to make sense with this theory, except for the timeline. -Amaram has Heralds, Radiants, and a Desolation. I don't see why he would need to unleash an Unmade. I don't think it fits with what we know of him this far. -If Amaram did this, Brandon would probably foreshadow it by showing a black sphere inside Amarams manor or something. So I do not really buy this. By the way, the title of the thread sounds kind of dirty :-D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Govir Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 13 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: By the way, the title of the thread sounds kind of dirty :-D Goes along with that other post, "Amaran has a date" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khyrindor Posted October 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 43 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: To me, there is a couple of things that fail to make sense with this theory, except for the timeline. -Amaram has Heralds, Radiants, and a Desolation. I don't see why he would need to unleash an Unmade. I don't think it fits with what we know of him this far. -If Amaram did this, Brandon would probably foreshadow it by showing a black sphere inside Amarams manor or something. So I do not really buy this. By the way, the title of the thread sounds kind of dirty :-D Eh, fair enough. And, I didn't want to say "Amaram and the Unmade" Or "Amaram and Re-Shephir" because I figured it might be spoilery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toaster Retribution Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 3 minutes ago, Rider of Storms said: And, I didn't want to say "Amaram and the Unmade" Or "Amaram and Re-Shephir" because I figured it might be spoilery. Amaram and the Black Sphere maybe? But I kind of like the title, just wanted to make a joke about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khyrindor Posted October 31, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 14 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: Amaram and the Black Sphere maybe? But I kind of like the title, just wanted to make a joke about it. But as you said, we never really saw a black sphere. Glad you liked it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveLate Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 (edited) Bah Edited October 31, 2017 by FiveLate Double Post....I forgot how to delete. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiveLate Posted October 31, 2017 Report Share Posted October 31, 2017 4 hours ago, kari-no-sugata said: This only tells us how "recent" the start of the imprisonment was. I don't think it says anything about how recently it was released. But thematically it would make more sense if it was tied into things Galivar (or someone similar) was up to. In Dalinars vision fighting the midnight essences, one of the radiants questions who released the midnight mother. This implies that she was imprisoned and freed at least once prior to the Eighth Epoch. She could have been imprisoned multiple times, but today's chapter I read to imply a solo imprisonment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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