[OB] That which was broken.

[FollowYourMuse she/her]

I like this idea, it explains some things, I have thought maybe dull form is from bonding more common and probably less sentient spren. So that fits the safety mechanism as they would always have some bond just not always one that is as beneficial. 

IIRC in order to achieve certain forms the listeners needed to have the right mindset and rythems to attract the right spren. So there is randomness to it. Ie in order to have artform they would first need to attract creativity spren. Living isolated the listeners would have less possibilities. Mateform, if bond is to lifespren would be more common.

Spren availability would explain why the Parshmen living in various cities have taken different forms, that the listeners we're trying for and could not achieve.

 

 

 

Edited October 13, 2017 by FollowYourMuse

[Pattern he/him]

On 11.10.2017 at 7:18 PM, Calderis said:

We have only seen one form so far, and the reports were of "red lights" that when Kaladin asked about eyes they said "maybe?" 

We have no proof that there have been multiple forms. 

If we take a look at Edgedancer, we get at least a hint that Parshmen there turned to a form of power:

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Lightning broke the air and howls rose in the city. Across the farmlands, the ruby glare revealed a huddled clump of people. A sorry, sad group. The poor parshmen who had been evicted. 
The red lightning seemed to linger with them.
Their eyes were glowing.

 

So there might still be a certain randomness to which form the Parshmen took after exposition to the Everstorm.

[Calderis he/him]

6 hours ago, Pattern said:

If we take a look at Edgedancer, we get at least a hint that Parshmen there turned to a form of power:

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So there might still be a certain randomness to which form the Parshmen took after exposition to the Everstorm.

I don't think that's definitive actually. 

We didn't see them after the storm. We don't know what form they ended up in. That may have been a manifestation of the storms investiture healing them, causing a visually misleading effect. 

I'm not saying you're wrong, it could be, but in that scene at lease they looked like Parshmen who's eyes were glowing, not stormform Parshendi. 

[Alfa he/him]

Was there any confirmation that dullform is able to have children? Because it appears to me that only slaveform and mateform (of those which are known) are capable of reproduction.

[The One Who Connects he/him]

6 hours ago, Alfa said:

It appears to me that only slaveform and mateform (of those which are known) are capable of reproduction.

Unless we learn of an entirely new form that can have children, you would be correct that these are the only two capable of mating.

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So the Parshendi have four genders - malen, femalen, male, female. I've only read one WoB about this:
 

Q: Have we seen all four of the genders for the Parshendi?
A: Yes. Malen, femalen, male, and female. Basically there is a male neuter and a female neuter, and then a male and a female. And if you can't tell, the malen and femalen are both asexual, completely.^{[请求来源]}

Is this all we can get now? Or is there more?
So malen means male neuter, femalen female neuter? Those Listeners can't reproduce, right? I'm not very sure, but those non-mateforms, are they all malen/femalen? (I suppose male/female is of the mateforms?)

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There’s not more we can get than that at this time. The non-mateforms and non-slaveforms are malen/femalen. Male/female are the mateforms.

[Alfa he/him]

But in this case there is a notable gender difference between dullform and slaveform

[kmosiman]

Is anyone else wondering about the end goal of the Yellow spren?

I assumed that all or some of the parshmen would transform in the coming highstorm; but Kaladin found shelter for them and the Yellow spren warned them and found a mine to hide in before the second passing of the Everstorm.

Kalidin may not know that they need a storm to transform (not sure how much time he has with Rlain); but the spren is actively keeping them out of the storms. 

[Salkara]

11 minutes ago, kmosiman said:

Is anyone else wondering about the end goal of the Yellow spren?

I assumed that all or some of the parshmen would transform in the coming highstorm; but Kaladin found shelter for them and the Yellow spren warned them and found a mine to hide in before the second passing of the Everstorm.

Kalidin may not know that they need a storm to transform (not sure how much time he has with Rlain); but the spren is actively keeping them out of the storms. 

I imagine that the yellow spren wants to gather an army before transforming them. Small groups are easier to defeat. If they all show up in one location (e.g. Kholinar) and transform together, they will have an army instead of a squad.

[Mulk he/him]

16 minutes ago, kmosiman said:

Is anyone else wondering about the end goal of the Yellow spren?

I assumed that all or some of the parshmen would transform in the coming highstorm; but Kaladin found shelter for them and the Yellow spren warned them and found a mine to hide in before the second passing of the Everstorm.

Kalidin may not know that they need a storm to transform (not sure how much time he has with Rlain); but the spren is actively keeping them out of the storms. 

My best guess is that if groups of stormforms show up to a large meeting of newly released parshmen it might spook all or part of them off from joining up as a force for war.  It might even frighten them into joining the humans You want them together in one place, agreeing to take on the humans for all they did to the parshmen and taking the storm to transform in bulk. Way more damage that way, even if they aren't scared of the void transformations

edit: heh, Salkara was thinking on similar lines and posted right before me. 

Edited October 18, 2017 by Mulk

[bo.montier]

On 10/13/2017 at 1:01 PM, Calderis said:

 

Did you notice this when you were thinking about this theory:

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Khen, Sah, and the others had wanted to wait until dark—unwilling to trust that the old lighteyes wouldn’t spy on them. But the wind had started blowing, and they’d finally believed Kaladin that a storm was imminent.

That's from Chapter 23. The freed Parshmen couldn't feel the new highstorm. 

[Calderis he/him]

1 minute ago, bo.montier said:

Did you notice this when you were thinking about this theory:

That's from Chapter 23. The freed Parshmen couldn't feel the new highstorm. 

Parshendi can't either. They judge the approach of a highstorm by attuning the Rhythm of Winds. 

The freed Parshmen don't understand the rhythms. 

[bo.montier]

Just now, Calderis said:

Parshendi can't either. They judge the approach of a highstorm by attuning the Rhythm of Winds. 

The freed Parshmen don't understand the rhythms. 

I see, I didn't distinguish between attuning the rhythms and feeling... Makes sense. I am rereading the chapters and it struck me as odd.

[Necessary Eagle she/her]

On 10/13/2017 at 2:01 PM, Calderis said:

I don't think that's definitive actually. 

We didn't see them after the storm. We don't know what form they ended up in. That may have been a manifestation of the storms investiture healing them, causing a visually misleading effect. 

I'm not saying you're wrong, it could be, but in that scene at lease they looked like Parshmen who's eyes were glowing, not stormform Parshendi. 

They were convincing enough as Voidbringers to make Nale admit that Ishar was wrong.

[Calderis he/him]

45 minutes ago, Necessary Eagle said:

They were convincing enough as Voidbringers to make Nale admit that Ishar was wrong.

All he had to see was that they were capable of changing. They were Parshmen, and he knows what was done to lock away their ability to change. 

Seeing that undone is enough. What they became afterwards doesn't need to be a a Voidform for him to know that major things are happening. 

Edited October 22, 2017 by Calderis