hoidshmoid Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) Just finishing up another readthrough of WoK before WoR comes out. Please poke holes in this theory as much as you want. The Honorblades and Shardblades are infused by Odium's power to help Honor fight the Desolations on Roshar. In return for such a powerful weapon, Odium required that the Ten Heralds spend the time between Desolations in Damnation. Odium knew that the Heralds would not be able to withstand Damnation over and over and would eventually give in, leaving mankind to fend for themselves. In this way, he subverted Honor's influence over mankind as the Shardblades were ideal tools for spreading violence and hate after the Desolation. A few pieces of possible support: 1) Szeth calls his Shardblade a cursed weapon many times 2) The way the Shardblade kills living beings with eyes shriveling up and smoking, its reminiscent of a hellish weapon 3) Kal and Syl both dislike the blade for reasons they can and cannot explain. Kal and Syl both being forces of Honor, it makes sense that they get this feeling. Honor never intended for the Shardblades to be used against humanity, but in his desperation he agreed to it. Odium, on the other hand, knew that after the humans fought against the creatures of the Desolation, they would turn his weapons against each other and spread his hate. Edited February 18, 2014 by hoidshmoid 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbereth Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Welcome to the 17th Shard! I like this theory. I think it has been thought of before, but nevertheless. I don't know, though. Odium is not necessarily trying to spread hate. He simply is hate. So maybe he was aiming for Honor's destruction because he hated Honor, but this seems a little complicated- could Hate really fake friendship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikorr Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 The very biggest problem I see with this is that Odium doesn't like to lose - that discussion however, comes from Dalinars vision in the WoR released chapters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beef man Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Welcome to the 17th Shard! I like this theory. I think it has been thought of before, but nevertheless. I don't know, though. Odium is not necessarily trying to spread hate. He simply is hate. So maybe he was aiming for Honor's destruction because he hated Honor, but this seems a little complicated- could Hate really fake friendship? So I have seen this mentioned a few times across the theories page. Is Odium's intent confirmed as hate? Everyone who mentions it acts as if it is fact but Odium's intent is still listed as unknown in the coppermind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) So I have seen this mentioned a few times across the theories page. Is Odium's intent confirmed as hate? Everyone who mentions it acts as if it is fact but Odium's intent is still listed as unknown in the coppermind. Odium means hate. According to a free online dictionary: 1. the state or fact of being subjected to hatred and contempt as a result of a despicable act or blameworthy circumstance 2. hatred and condemnation accompanied by loathing or contempt Edited February 18, 2014 by Moogle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asha'man Logain Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Also someone asked Brandon something to the effect of "The dictionary lists 2 definitions for odium, hate and something to causing hatred, do both appy to Odium," and Brandon said yes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawkedup Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) I don't know if Odium spreads hate either. It means hate, but does Death (HELLO, ALBERT) spread death or is he just a part of it? That doesn't mean he doesn't spread hate, but you get what I mean.*car breaks after reading Brandon's comment* Edited February 18, 2014 by hawkedup 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beef man Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 Someone should find that Sanderson quote and put it (with the dictionary reference) in the coppermind - I know a few theories out there that probably could have been saved a lot of trouble if they had known that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Morsk Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 (edited) Someone should find that Sanderson quote and put it (with the dictionary reference) in the coppermind - I know a few theories out there that probably could have been saved a lot of trouble if they had known that. I'll find it. The quote is in the Cosmere Q&A thread somewhere. It's there actually, with the citation. It's the 3rd paragraph in Odium. Edited February 18, 2014 by Morsk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beef man Posted February 18, 2014 Report Share Posted February 18, 2014 haha. nice. I guess it got added since the last time I really read and not just scanned the page. Sorry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AerionBFII Posted February 19, 2014 Report Share Posted February 19, 2014 I think there are certain Blades from Odium and Honor so to speak like arming both sides. I have no real evidence just something i can see in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Bloody Cauthon Posted March 20, 2014 Report Share Posted March 20, 2014 (edited) A few pieces of possible support: 1) Szeth calls his Shardblade a cursed weapon many times he calls it cursed because it was A. given to him when he was denounced as truthless. B. he is forced to kill and knows he will continue to kill with it. C. he wants death and when he was given the shardblade he was told he could not seek his death. he would be easier to kill without it. much easier to kill. Edited April 30, 2014 by Matrim Bloody Cauthon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Bloody Cauthon Posted March 23, 2014 Report Share Posted March 23, 2014 3) Kal and Syl both dislike the blade for reasons they can and cannot explain. Kal and Syl both being forces of Honor, it makes sense that they get this feeling. They dont like the blades because they are related to the lost radiants who betrayed their oath. When the radiants betrayed their oaths the shardblades became tainted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Bloody Cauthon Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 2) The way the Shardblade kills living beings with eyes shriveling up and smoking, its reminiscent of a hellish weapon if you read the first couple of sentences in WoK it says "Kalak rounded a rocky stone ridge and stumbled to a stop before the body of a dying thunderclast. The enormous stone beast lay on its side, riblike protrusions from its chest broken and cracked." the shardblades were made for fighting the voidbringers and beasts like the thunderclast. the shardblades needed to be able to cut through anything. im guessing that the eyes shriveling up and smoking is just a side effect. might be a side effect of the shardblades being cursed from the radiants going against their oaths. im sorry, its a good theory, but the evidence that you have provided just doesn't prove it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agentprimus Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 (edited) I'm a little confused here, in Way of Kings Szeth summons and dismisses his shardblade which we later find out in WoR is an Honourblade, but Taln has his Honourblade with him. My question is how come Talns blade doesn't vanish? Question answered nevermind. Edited March 27, 2014 by agentprimus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matrim Bloody Cauthon Posted April 2, 2014 Report Share Posted April 2, 2014 hey agentprimus you need to put a spoiler tab on those they are not common knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 I want to post to this thread, but what I have to say is very spoiler laden and I don't know how to do that spoiler button that hides the content unless you click it within my post. Can anyone explain how to do that so I can reply? Newbie in need, thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RShara Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 It's [-spoiler] textyouwanthidden [-/spoiler] without the dashes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 (edited) hmmm, seems I misread. I will experiment more, but I don't want to derail this thread for me to figure it out. Thanks for the help! Edited April 18, 2014 by P4thf1nd3r Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted April 18, 2014 Report Share Posted April 18, 2014 hmmm, I could see this theory maybe having merit if it included only honorblades, but the shardblades themselves are a different story. Please see below: shardblades are spren. spren are shattered bits of honor. so shardblades couldn't be from odium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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