Watchcry he/him Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 I know reviving blades has been spoken of at length BUT I think a Bondsmith can use a Truthwatcher to revive a blade with a potentially worthy candidate of that blades order. I think this is how Adolin may become an Edgedancer. Thoughts? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchcry he/him Posted September 20, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 To expound on this the Truthwatcher ability may be used to allow the two parties to see each other somehow and make the fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 I don't follow you. Do You mean using Illumination's Surge to show an alternate self ? If this is the case (and I don't see how this would affected the "reviving a Deadblade") what the Bondsmith's use here ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mulk he/him Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 I believe Watchcry is taking the amplification/change that Dalinar/Stormfather had on Shallan's lightweaving ability and trying to infer another combination, one which allows a dead spren to come back. I would guess that since Dalinar's effect produced what the Stormfather is able to see, perhaps Dalinar's bond with the Stormfather and the Stormfather's knowledge of spren death and life might make this possible. For myself, I think Brandon will eventually show someone making the fit and helping one of the dead blades live again, though I'm doubtful it will be Adolin. I don't have solid reasoning for that, just a personal opinion at this point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknopathetic he/him Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 If Dalinar can amplify Renarin's "seeing the best version of yourself" with "healing", maybe that could bring back a blade (assuming there is enough connection there). If the human's could figure out how to fix blades, the Spren might be more willing to join forces again. Do we know anyone who has experience giving metal sentience through investiture? Maybe a scholar? With a famous sword? Maybe someone close to Adolin? 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waynegrantham Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 24 minutes ago, teknopathetic said: If Dalinar can amplify Renarin's "seeing the best version of yourself" with "healing", maybe that could bring back a blade (assuming there is enough connection there). If the human's could figure out how to fix blades, the Spren might be more willing to join forces again. Do we know anyone who has experience giving metal sentience through investiture? Maybe a scholar? With a famous sword? Maybe someone close to Adolin? Subtle like a flung ShardHammer... 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+ElephantEarwax he/him Posted September 20, 2017 Report Share Posted September 20, 2017 3 hours ago, waynegrantham said: Subtle like a flung ShardHammer... I'm going to use that line in real life now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subvisual Haze Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 I like this. Truthwatcher visions would make sense as a spiritual realm based magic. Adolin having a flash of an idealized version of himself while being healed by Renarin seems to fit with how the spiritual realm has previously been displayed. Based on Renarin's eagerness to get rid of his dead shardblade, I'm wondering if he has an even worse experience when coming into contact with one than just hearing screams. Renarin's potential sensitivity to the spiritual realm means he might be having full 'Nam Flashbacks every time he touches a shardblade. Going with your theory, Renarin could unravel the specific nature of the broken oaths that killed a particular spren, while Dalinar could use his (as of yet vaguely elaborated powers) to form a connection between the dead blade and a new candidate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchcry he/him Posted September 21, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 Exactly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 The fact is that as far as we know, Bondsmith's Resonance doesn't boost other Powers. What Shallan did, is in her standard power's scope, She misses only the informations to put in the map. So Dalinar could unwilling Force her to Activate her Illumination but the Surge was not improved or boosted. In this regard of the Truthwatchers could do what you propose, the Bondsmith's Aid is useless. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salkara Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 21 hours ago, teknopathetic said: Do we know anyone who has experience giving metal sentience through investiture? Maybe a scholar? With a famous sword? Maybe someone close to Adolin? Interesting. Brandon did say that it would take something more than just the oaths to bring a deadblade back. Maybe that "something more" involves Awakening? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subvisual Haze Posted September 21, 2017 Report Share Posted September 21, 2017 17 hours ago, Yata said: The fact is that as far as we know, Bondsmith's Resonance doesn't boost other Powers. What Shallan did, is in her standard power's scope, She misses only the informations to put in the map. So Dalinar could unwilling Force her to Activate her Illumination but the Surge was not improved or boosted. In this regard of the Truthwatchers could do what you propose, the Bondsmith's Aid is useless. I think "boosting" is the wrong line of thought for what Bondsmiths do. I think Bondsmiths can forge temporary Connections between the souls of things (almost like a temporary and non-violent form of Hemalurgy). In the scene with the map, I think Dalinar's bondsmith abilities formed a temporary Nahel bond between Shallan and Stormfather which resulted in the map. As for the dead shardblades, the trick is correcting what was lost. Spren existed symbiotically with their Radiants, the sundering of the oaths was the equivalent of a magical lobotomy, violently tearing away chunks of their soul/spirit-web. The spren can't go back to zero state and slowly re-bond with a new radiant soul because they're too wounded. I think to re-awaken the blade, a new wielder would need to be discovered who had similar holes in their spirit web as the previous bonded Radiant. It would have to be a person with very deep scars on their own soul. I really like the thought of synergy between a Truthwatcher seeing insight into a soul and a Bondsmith forging a temporary connection with a soul to jump-start a bonding process. Maybe something similar even existed before the Recreance? Humans are a pretty error prone group, one would assume that on an individual level Radiants occasionally broke their oaths per-Recreance and a mechanism existed to "recover" the spren afterwards. This might also explain why these two orders in particular have such a central location in the surgebinding diagram. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchcry he/him Posted September 23, 2017 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2017 Also, as far as Adolin Edgedancer tendency goes, didn't Darkness kill Ym because he killed someone in his youth? And wasn't he a possible match for Wyndle? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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