Hobber's legs

[StormblessDave]

I just realized, now that Hobber is a squire, he'll be able to grow his legs back, He doesn't have to be a cook anymore! Cross your fingers for Hobber povs, I enjoyed his character.

[+robardin he/him]

Good, I hope you're right, because by his own admission, he's a terrible cook!

 

[WordsOfStormBlessed]

That's funny, I reread TWoK and I'm in the middle of rereading WoR right now prior to Oathbringer's release, and when I got to the scene of Hobber losing his legs, I instantly thought:  "Yeeeees!  Hobber is going to get his legs back!"  If Kal can bring an arm that was severed with an honorblade back to life, and Lopen can completely regrow a new arm, surely Hobber can get his legs back with his new Squire abilities.  

[Yata he/him]

On 9/9/2017 at 8:23 AM, StormblessDave said:

I just realized, now that Hobber is a squire, he'll be able to grow his legs back, He doesn't have to be a cook anymore! Cross your fingers for Hobber povs, I enjoyed his character.

And @WordsOfStormBlessed 

I hope for him to be able to recover his legs but it's not sure, It will depend on how he saw himself now...If he see himself as a cripple man, Stormlight will not heal his Soul.

By the way we don't even know if the level of Squires' Stormlight usage is enough to heal the Spiritual Wound.

[+eveorjoy she/her]

7 hours ago, Yata said:

And @WordsOfStormBlessed 

I hope for him to be able to recover his legs but it's not sure, It will depend on how he saw himself now...If he see himself as a cripple man, Stormlight will not heal his Soul.

By the way we don't even know if the level of Squires' Stormlight usage is enough to heal the Spiritual Wound.

Very true. If it were a simple matter of breathing in Stormlight, Kaladin would no longer have scars on his forehead. Lopen regrew his arm because he never saw himself as not having that arm as a part of him in someway. Kaladin healed because he still saw himself as a spearman and a surgeon when Szeth cut his arm. So self perception is important.

Also, Oathbringer spoilers.  

Spoiler

With Kaladin away from Urithru, Bridge 4 currently cannot use stormlight. There is a range of how close Kaladin needs to be for his squires to use stormlight. 

That said there maybe another way. Renarin healed Adolin's wrist in chapter 10 of Oathbringer. Maybe Renarin will practice his Truthwatcher powers on Hobber and then he will be walking even before Kaladin gets back. Though it all depends on if Renarin is willing to try and if he has enough stormlight to heal Hobber and the other members of Bridge 4 with shadeblade injuries.

 

[Calderis he/him]

7 hours ago, Yata said:

And @WordsOfStormBlessed 

I hope for him to be able to recover his legs but it's not sure, It will depend on how he saw himself now...If he see himself as a cripple man, Stormlight will not heal his Soul.

By the way we don't even know if the level of Squires' Stormlight usage is enough to heal the Spiritual Wound.

I actually disagree with this. There's no physical damage for a Cognitive block to prevent healing. The damage is Spiritual. So if he can gather enough Stormlight to heal it, it should be healed, regardless of what Hobber thinks. 

The only issue I see is that we don't know the extent of what squires can do yet, and unlike physical healing, spiritual doesn't seem to be automatic. Kaladin had to exert effort to heal his arm, and it consumed a large amount of stormlight. 

If he can get enough Stormlight, and figure out the way he needs to "push" the stormlight, I don't think a Cognitive perception can effect spiritual healing. 

[StormblessDave]

20 hours ago, eveorjoy said:

Lopen regrew his arm because he never saw himself as not having that arm as a part of him in someway.

After all the one-armed Herdazian jokes, I'm inclined to disagree

[+eveorjoy she/her]

38 minutes ago, StormblessDave said:

After all the one-armed Herdazian jokes, I'm inclined to disagree

Consider all the times he spoke about what his severed arm was doing. He was aware he had one arm, but this claimed the other one and so got it back.

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

21 hours ago, Calderis said:

I actually disagree with this. There's no physical damage for a Cognitive block to prevent healing. The damage is Spiritual. So if he can gather enough Stormlight to heal it, it should be healed, regardless of what Hobber thinks. 

Uh... I don´t get what you mean, to be honest. Do you think that it doesn´t matter how Hobber sees himself, that he will manage to heal no matter what?

[Calderis he/him]

17 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said:

Uh... I don´t get what you mean, to be honest. Do you think that it doesn´t matter how Hobber sees himself, that he will manage to heal no matter what?

Yes. Cosmere healing originates in the Spiritual Realm and flows outward through the Cognitive, to the physical. 

Hobber's legs are a Spiritual wound. They should be healed before the Cognitive interferes. His physical legs are undamaged. 

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

5 minutes ago, Calderis said:

Yes. Cosmere healing originates in the Spiritual Realm and flows outward through the Cognitive, to the physical. 

Hobber's legs are a Spiritual wound. They should be healed before the Cognitive interferes. His physical legs are undamaged. 

Ah, I think I understand now. Thanks! Looks like you taught me something new about Cosmere healing :-)

[Nymeros]

Oh boy...Szeth couldnt heal using an honorblade

Hobber might not be powerful enough to heal......

[Calderis he/him]

7 minutes ago, Nymeros said:

Oh boy...Szeth couldnt heal using an honorblade

Hobber might not be powerful enough to heal......

Which was the caveat I already mentioned. Spiritual healing seemed to take a lot of stormlight out of Kaladin, and it requires a deeper bond then the Honorblades can grant. So if he can't do it, it's a matter of strength/Stormlight efficiency. 

[Nymeros]

^^Well Windrunners do have powerful squires so he may be able to pull it off.

[IllNsickly he/him]

Lopens arm began growing back because regardless of his japes and jokes, he never accepted the loss of his arm.

Cognitive perception. It's why Kaladin still has his brands and the tattoo didn't stick.

[Calderis he/him]

1 hour ago, IllNsickly said:

Lopens arm began growing back because regardless of his japes and jokes, he never accepted the loss of his arm.

Cognitive perception. It's why Kaladin still has his brands and the tattoo didn't stick.

Yes, which effects healing of the physical body. 

Healing flows outward from the Spiritual Realm, is filtered by perception in the Cognitive, and manifests in the physical. 

There is no physical damage to Hobber's legs. It is a spiritual wound, so the healing should occur before a Cognitive filter plays a role as long as his Stormlight abilities are strong enough. 

[IllNsickly he/him]

7 minutes ago, Calderis said:

Yes, which effects healing of the physical body. 

Healing flows outward from the Spiritual Realm, is filtered by perception in the Cognitive, and manifests in the physical. 

There is no physical damage to Hobber's legs. It is a spiritual wound, so the healing should occur before a Cognitive filter plays a role as long as his Stormlight abilities are strong enough. 

So, now we must speculate upon Hobber's state of mind.

He has an unfortunately small appearance on screen.

[Calderis he/him]

1 hour ago, IllNsickly said:

So, now we must speculate upon Hobber's state of mind.

He has an unfortunately small appearance on screen.

Did you read my post? His mind has nothing to do with it. His wounds aren't physical. 

[Yata he/him]

2 hours ago, Calderis said:

Did you read my post? His mind has nothing to do with it. His wounds aren't physical. 

Well....I agree with the Spiritual Wound be healed indipendent by Hobber's mind but, if he see himself as a cripple man, it's possible the Healing will (physical) cripple him

[Calderis he/him]

1 minute ago, Yata said:

Well....I agree with the Spiritual Wound be healed indipendent by Hobber's mind but, if he see himself as a cripple man, it's possible the Healing will (physical) cripple him

That's.... Unfortunately true. 

[IllNsickly he/him]

11 hours ago, Calderis said:

Did you read my post? His mind has nothing to do with it. His wounds aren't physical. 

I dig it. Really, I do.

His wounds are Spiritual. 

When Kaladin healed his arm after Szeth's little slash, there was a barrier. He had to force the Stormlight through something. It didn't simply heal him as it does with... shall we call them 'Mundane' wounds.

He had to use some pretty solid mental gymnastics to return his arm to his image of it. Body, Mind and Spirit must all agree on it in order for Stormlight to correct it.

[Calderis he/him]

1 hour ago, IllNsickly said:

He had to use some pretty solid mental gymnastics to return his arm to his image of it. Body, Mind and Spirit must all agree on it in order for Stormlight to correct it.

He pushed. There was no mental gymnastics. He did have to talk himself into it. 

He pushed Stormlight past the artificial barrier that was the wound and it healed. 

[kmosiman]

I don't know if he has advanced enough yet, but couldn't Renarin do the job?

He trained and stayed with Bridge 4. I can't see him leaving one of his comrades hanging now that he knows how to heal.

I assume the fabrial that Nale used on Szeth was based on similar principals and Szeth was mostly dead before he was restored.

[The One Who Connects he/him]

1 hour ago, kmosiman said:

I don't know if he has advanced enough yet, but couldn't Renarin do the job?

He trained and stayed with Bridge 4. I can't see him leaving one of his comrades hanging now that he knows how to heal.

You raise a valid point. And that raises a question: How does the mental perception thing work when someone else is healing you?

Ex: Would Kaladin's Slave Brands or Kelsier's Scars have remained if they were healed by someone else?

[Mulk he/him]

right now...as far as we know, only Kaladin, the Heralds and Szeth know that a shardblade wound can be healed.  And Taravangian I guess, is that right?  Anyway, whatever can be done with Regrowth, it may be that Renarin doesn't know that it's possible.  Not to say it shouldn't be brought up - I just wouldn't necessarily read anything into lack of action by Renarin on this item. "Everyone knows" nothing can be done for a Shardblade wound, and has done so for hundreds of years at least, so it may not even occur to him to try it unless someone brings it up.