Mason Wheeler Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 1 hour ago, maxal said: I thought Lopen was supposed to be Hispanic... He isn't a big role, his age is unknown, it should be easy enough to find a decent actor from another ethnicity ascendance. Same here. Every time I read a Lopen scene I imagine him speaking with this really bad Mexican stereotype accent. It just seems to fit the character.
btcannon Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) The ideas on this thread are too well-thought-out to actually happen. How about some cringey, mainstream Hollywood choices: Kaladin - Harry Styles Shallan - Emma Watson (ft. hair dye) Rock - Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson Adolin - Leonardo DiCaprio Dalinar - George Clooney Lift - Millie Bobby Brown Wit - Johnny Depp Voice of Wyndle - David Attenborough Chasmfiend - $12 million CGI budget Szeth - Eminem ***EDIT: THIS POST IS SATIRE*** Edited September 9, 2017 by btcannon 3
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted September 9, 2017 Author Posted September 9, 2017 (edited) 10 minutes ago, btcannon said: Kaladin - Harry Styles He is actually a good actor. 10 minutes ago, btcannon said: Wit - Johnny Depp Please no. 10 minutes ago, btcannon said: Voice of Wyndle - David Attenborough I need this. 10 minutes ago, btcannon said: Chasmfiend - $12 million CGI budget Likely to happen. 10 minutes ago, btcannon said: Szeth - Eminem This would make my brother interested in a Brandon Sanderson-story, for once. Overall awesome post (and yes, I do understand that the suggestions weren't serious). Edited September 9, 2017 by Toaster Retribution
Guest Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 41 minutes ago, btcannon said: Kaladin - Harry Styles Actually, not a bad choice, but not ethnic enough for Kaladin. 42 minutes ago, btcannon said: Shallan - Emma Watson (ft. hair dye) Not a terrible pic, I am not 10% on board with it, but I am not against it either. 43 minutes ago, btcannon said: Rock - Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson Typical choice, but not red headed enough. Solid built though. 43 minutes ago, btcannon said: Adolin - Leonardo DiCaprio No. Just plain no. He is 2 decades too old for Adolin. Why does everyone insists on casting Adolin with late thirties, early forties actors? 44 minutes ago, btcannon said: Dalinar - George Clooney No. He does not have the right built for Dalinar. He has the right age though. I should also point out this casting has Clooney plays the father to Dicaprio: there is less than a 15 years age difference in between the two. Not plausible. 46 minutes ago, btcannon said: Wit - Johnny Depp Love it. This. Is. Perfect. 47 minutes ago, btcannon said: Szeth - Eminem If we are to go mainstream, then yes. Not a bad pic.
Guest Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 Just now, btcannon said: My post was satirical. Ah thanks. I missed the satire
btcannon Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 Just now, maxal said: Ah thanks. I missed the satire It's all good, haha. I actually wouldn't hate a couple of them if they happened, but yeah, it was mostly intended to get chuckles.
Mason Wheeler Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 1 hour ago, btcannon said: Rock - Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson Oh please no. Has he ever in the history of ever been in a movie that did not absolutely suck? (I honestly don't know, because after watching a few movies with him in it, all of which sucked horribly, I stopped watching movies with him in it.)
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted September 9, 2017 Author Posted September 9, 2017 28 minutes ago, Mason Wheeler said: Oh please no. Has he ever in the history of ever been in a movie that did not absolutely suck? (I honestly don't know, because after watching a few movies with him in it, all of which sucked horribly, I stopped watching movies with him in it.) Guardians of the Galaxy. Both ones are masterpieces. 1
Mason Wheeler Posted September 9, 2017 Posted September 9, 2017 32 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: Guardians of the Galaxy. Both ones are masterpieces. Huh? I don't recall him being in either one, and neither does IMDB's cast page.
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted September 9, 2017 Author Posted September 9, 2017 24 minutes ago, Mason Wheeler said: Huh? I don't recall him being in either one, and neither does IMDB's cast page. Whoops, got him mixed up with Vin Diesel. My bad. 1
Guest Posted September 10, 2017 Posted September 10, 2017 16 minutes ago, Arcoss said: Chris Evans as Adolin 15 years too old.
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted September 10, 2017 Author Posted September 10, 2017 Michael Caine as Adolin. 7
Worldhopper he/him Posted September 10, 2017 Posted September 10, 2017 22 hours ago, maxal said: I thought Lopen was supposed to be Hispanic... He isn't a big role, his age is unknown, it should be easy enough to find a decent actor from another ethnicity ascendance. I don't think things like (real-world) ethnicity really matter in fantasy. Its all about the delivery of the characters and the words, and in the sense I think Tudyk could deliver Lopen very well. 1
Guest Posted September 10, 2017 Posted September 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said: Michael Caine as Adolin. The problem with Micheal Caine is you need to find someone much older to play Dalinar... and it won't be the Stormlight Archive anymore, but the Elderly Archive Honestly, nobody has ever managed to find the right Adolin for me (either not handsome enough, not blond enough or not young enough): I have come to suspect the right Adolin merely isn't a known actor. 51 minutes ago, Worldhopper said: I don't think things like (real-world) ethnicity really matter in fantasy. Its all about the delivery of the characters and the words, and in the sense I think Tudyk could deliver Lopen very well. While I agree with your statement I would say casting Stormlight is... delicate at best. In shorts, you are right, ethnicity should not matter, but it does. Most of SA's characters have been described as "not being Caucasian" and while the descriptive are either so mild and not so conclusive many Caucasian actors/actresses could pull out many roles, the truth is it wouldn't respect the spirit of the work. It would also cause a great ruckus within the fandom. Already, myself arguing Adolin and Shallan ought be played by real-life blond/red headed actor/actress is met with very strong opposition (because it most likely implies Caucasian and the fandom is against Caucasian in a general manner), the majority preferring is Asians actors were cast for all roles, except Szeth, and use dyes to get the Adolin/Shallan looks. I don't believe dyes would pull it off without making the actors look as if they are out of a bad nineties movie or a pop band. I could be wrong, but I currently do not see it. In shorts, we aren't within the right time period to make a great casting for SA. Even if it is amazingly great and perfect, the second ONE single Caucasian actor is tossed into the lot, even if it makes more sense for this given character, people will scream white-washing. Hence, Lopen definitely has to go to an ethnic actor because there is no rational as to why he ought not to be.
Mason Wheeler Posted September 10, 2017 Posted September 10, 2017 39 minutes ago, maxal said: Already, myself arguing Adolin and Shallan ought be played by real-life blond/red headed actor/actress is met with very strong opposition (because it most likely implies Caucasian and the fandom is against Caucasian in a general manner), the majority preferring is Asians actors were cast for all roles, except Szeth, and use dyes to get the Adolin/Shallan looks. I don't believe dyes would pull it off without making the actors look as if they are out of a bad nineties movie or a pop band. I could be wrong, but I currently do not see it. When in doubt, look to official sources. The art published with Words of Radiance depicts Shallan with typical Caucasian redhead features. I can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but if that's good enough for Brandon to approve it and put it in the book, that's good enough for me. 1
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted September 10, 2017 Author Posted September 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Worldhopper said: I don't think things like (real-world) ethnicity really matter in fantasy. Its all about the delivery of the characters and the words, and in the sense I think Tudyk could deliver Lopen very well. I second what @maxal said. Whitewashing is a real issue, that a lot of people care about. Personally, I'm not as adamant as many others, but I do prefer is characters are cast as the source-material says they are, or at least similar. For example, I put more weight on skin color than eyes in my casting. I am also okay with some changes (I am willing to go caucasian for the Veden). That said, a lot of people will (understandably) feel that skin-color, eyes and nationality should matter.
Steeldancer he/him Posted September 10, 2017 Posted September 10, 2017 Eyes can be changed with CGI. Like in Dune.
Worldhopper he/him Posted September 10, 2017 Posted September 10, 2017 23 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: I second what @maxal said. Whitewashing is a real issue, that a lot of people care about. Personally, I'm not as adamant as many others, but I do prefer is characters are cast as the source-material says they are, or at least similar. For example, I put more weight on skin color than eyes in my casting. I am also okay with some changes (I am willing to go caucasian for the Veden). That said, a lot of people will (understandably) feel that skin-color, eyes and nationality should matter. I agree with both your points. It's just if "hypothetically" they did make an SA movie and didn't cast characters according to race and hair colour I personally wouldn't give an axehounds arse as long as the characters were portrayed well. personally I think all of Brandon's work would do better in an anime arena anyway. In that realm, then Alan Tudyk would be perfect for Lopens voice. 2
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted September 10, 2017 Author Posted September 10, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Worldhopper said: I agree with both your points. It's just if "hypothetically" they did make an SA movie and didn't cast characters according to race and hair colour I personally wouldn't give an axehounds arse as long as the characters were portrayed well. personally I think all of Brandon's work would do better in an anime arena anyway. In that realm, then Alan Tudyk would be perfect for Lopens voice. I see your points too, and I think we just have different priorities :-) I dont want an anime though. Its not that it would be bad, but more that I have a personal bias against it. Just don't like the art-form much. I would watch it, of course, but I'd prefer a live-action tv-series in the vein of Game of Thrones. Edited September 10, 2017 by Toaster Retribution 1
Worldhopper he/him Posted September 10, 2017 Posted September 10, 2017 8 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said: I see your points too, and I think we just have different priorities :-) I dont want an anime though. Its not that it would be bad, but more that I have a personal bias against it. Just don't like the art-form much. I would watch it, of course, but I'd prefer a live-action tv-series in the vein of Game of Thrones. I do agree, if they made it the way they make anime today it wouldn't be great. If I'm honest, speculating about who'd play who is interesting and enjoyable but at the end of the day just give me the BOOK.
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted September 10, 2017 Author Posted September 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, Worldhopper said: at the end of the day just give me the BOOK. Oathvember is coming... 2
Mason Wheeler Posted September 10, 2017 Posted September 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said: Oathvember is coming... Oh man, I can't wait. I just wish my girlfriend would hurry up and get hooked on the Cosmere already. (I got her to read Warbreaker, but she's been really busy with not much time for reading.) Her birthday is just a few days after the launch, and it would be an awesome present to get her... if only she were at a point where she'd appreciate it.
Guest Posted September 10, 2017 Posted September 10, 2017 2 hours ago, Mason Wheeler said: When in doubt, look to official sources. The art published with Words of Radiance depicts Shallan with typical Caucasian redhead features. I can't speak for anyone else, obviously, but if that's good enough for Brandon to approve it and put it in the book, that's good enough for me. And Brandon often and publicly said he did not agree with how the artist chose to represent the Alethi. He said on numerous occasions Kaladin should have been drawn differently, but he was too intimidated next to Micheal Whelan to ask for a correction. 2 hours ago, Toaster Retribution said: I second what @maxal said. Whitewashing is a real issue, that a lot of people care about. Personally, I'm not as adamant as many others, but I do prefer is characters are cast as the source-material says they are, or at least similar. For example, I put more weight on skin color than eyes in my casting. I am also okay with some changes (I am willing to go caucasian for the Veden). That said, a lot of people will (understandably) feel that skin-color, eyes and nationality should matter. Yes, it is a real issue whether we like it or not: we cannot ignore it. The casting has to be sensitive enough to respect it. I would personally focus more on skin color as opposed to the eye shapes/colors because I feel it is too restrictive. The problem tends to be many people consider as soon as one individual is of Caucasian ascendance, then he can't portrait Alethi even if this individual's natural skin tone is more than dark enough. I would thus say nationality will be important, even if it shouldn't. People would probably not tear their shirt too wildly if Shallan is cast with your average red head, but Adolin is a real problem. Casting characters such as Dalinar, Kaladin, Jasnah, Navani, Elhokar, Sadeas and anyone who is a full bloaded Alethi with Caucasian actors, even if you pick them among those dark skinned enough and "exotic" enough would create riots. See for instance how people reacted to how Dorne was cast in GoT: I had no problem with the casting, but many people felt it was not ethnic enough. So while it would be preferable if we could just cast the best possible actors for each role, truth is we can't which is why I have always feared for the SA movie. 2 hours ago, Worldhopper said: I agree with both your points. It's just if "hypothetically" they did make an SA movie and didn't cast characters according to race and hair colour I personally wouldn't give an axehounds arse as long as the characters were portrayed well. personally I think all of Brandon's work would do better in an anime arena anyway. In that realm, then Alan Tudyk would be perfect for Lopens voice. If we were talking about a work I am less passionate about, then yes I would argue with you. I am unfortunately too involved to not care about the casting. Hence, I will likely not like it, but hey I could be surprised, maybe I will. Brandon is against the anime idea because there is no market for it in North America. I tend to agree with his take.
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