Goldencompounder Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 It says- vex odium convince him he can lose, he cannot afford to lose again. Unite them. Appoint a champion (to fight odium) how can a human fight a god. So unite them isn't the high princes or the kingdoms of roshar. It is the spren (who are splinters of honor). Unite them, put them back together. This champion will hold the shard honor. So this extra shard is giving odium a lot more power. After every desolation some of this power was lost. So if odium loses again he will have less power than cultivation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 I don't think that it means man vs shard . I believe that Odium would appoint a champion to fight on his behalf and that would be possible Odium would tie victory or defeat to one of his choosing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agent34 Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Honorspren existed before Honor was killed though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormblessDave Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Shards are bound by certain rules, this seems to be one of them. According to Honor, this idea (champions) might be their only option. I agree with @Nathrangking I don't believe it will be human vs shard(that sounds ridiculous lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Killik Posted August 28, 2017 Report Share Posted August 28, 2017 Also, I believe Odium is physically trapped on Braize and couldn't get to Roshar to fight a Rosharan. This may also be why he would have to appoint a champion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seloun Posted August 29, 2017 Report Share Posted August 29, 2017 The specific quote is Quote “I wish I could do more,” repeated the figure in gold. “You might be able to get him to choose a champion. He is bound by some rules. All of us are. A champion could work well for you, but it is not certain. And … without the Dawnshards … Well, I have done what I can. It is a terrible, terrible thing to leave you alone.” Sanderson, Brandon. The Way of Kings (The Stormlight Archive, Book 1) (p. 997). Tom Doherty Associates. Kindle Edition. So it's actually not clear that the Rosharians need to choose a champion. It's definitely talking about Odium choosing a champion (with the potential implication that the Rosharians will also need to choose a champion if e.g. the specific rule is about a duel or something). It might also be Odium e.g. choosing a champion to fight, but in either case it clearly suggests that it's Odium's choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 On 8/28/2017 at 2:54 AM, Goldencompounder said: how can a human fight a god. Have you read all of Mistborn Era 1? Specifically Hero of Ages? If you have, then I have an answer for you regarding how Champions work. (Mistborn Spoilers, duh..) Spoiler In the Final Battle between Elend and Marsh, they were Champions of their respective Shards. Marsh was specifically Ruin's Chosen Champion, being gifted eleven extra spikes, for a total of 22 spikes with various powers that Ruin could fuel. Vin(Preservation) was directly fueling Elend with her power. Marsh was trailing Black Smoke because Ruin was fueling him with so much power that it started to leak out. A Champion being directly fueled by the Shard is very risky, as it's power that the Shard can't use to defend himself. They have to somehow convince Odium that using up his immediately available power is a lesser risk than not getting directly involved. How that type of thing will be translated into Stormlight Archives, I don't know. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 (edited) Its interesting that Tavanast goes out of his way to tell Dalinar that convincing Odium that a champion is needed is their only chance. Would Odium who is obviously not slouch in the strategy department fall for so obvious a ploy? We shall have to wait and see. Edited September 14, 2017 by Nathrangking 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 4 minutes ago, Nathrangking said: Its interesting that Tanavast goes out of his way to tell Dalinar that convincing Odium that a champion is needed is their only chance. That was something I had considered too. It feels like Tanavast is saying that they need to convince Odium that the risks of appointing a Champion are the lesser of two evils compared to ... literally any other option Odium has. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 12 minutes ago, The One Who Connects said: That was something I had considered too. It feels like Tanavast is saying that they need to convince Odium that the risks of appointing a Champion are the lesser of two evils compared to ... literally any other option Odium has. Doing so is where my skepticism lies. Convincing Odium that he does not actually have them by the throat is something which would require a con artist of epic proportions. I mean turning strength into a situation of perceived weakness that will require the skills of a con artist the likes of which we have yet to see in the SA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The One Who Connects Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 2 minutes ago, Nathrangking said: Convincing Odium that he does not actually have them by the throat is something which would require a con artist of epic proportions. I'd hazard a guess that reforming Honor would "convince" Odium that he's not in complete control yet. It's not enough to threaten him, but it might be just enough to make him uncertain. However, I fully see Brandon being able to pull off something completely different that catches both us and Odium by surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seloun Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 4 hours ago, Nathrangking said: Its interesting that Tavanast goes out of his way to tell Dalinar that convincing Odium that a champion is needed is their only chance. Would Odium who is obviously not slouch in the strategy department fall for so obvious a ploy? We shall have to wait and see. I'm not completely sure it's a matter of 'falling' for such a ploy so much as just being Odium's nature. Build something up, and he wants to break it. Even if letting it degrade naturally (which seems to be what Honor is suggesting is the most likely course if no one intervenes) is the higher percentage play, I'm not sure he would want to take it if the alternative is more along his nature. I don't think it's 'tricking' Odium so much as essentially taunting him by assembling something he wants to destroy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stonedshaman Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 @Nathrangking are you implying a kelsier cameo lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reborn radiant Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 Mistborn Secret History spoilers: Spoiler Let's be honest. Kelsier coming and punching Odium would be the highlight of entire cosmere sequence if it ever happens. Oh also, hoid's reaction to Klesier doing it. 10/10 would want to watch it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted September 14, 2017 Report Share Posted September 14, 2017 1 hour ago, stonedshaman said: @Nathrangking are you implying a kelsier cameo lol It was at the back of my mind when I wrote it. Though the general principle could work with any true con artist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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