TheDoomsday Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 Hey there! I recently started a re-read of Stormlight in preparation for Oathbringer, and one passage caught my eye. Any idea what this means? Quote Let me first assure you that the element is quite safe. I have found a good home for it. I protect it's safety like I protect my own skin, you might say. What could the element be? I'd like to hear some thoughts. Thx! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 1 minute ago, TheDoomsday said: Hey there! I recently started a re-read of Stormlight in preparation for Oathbringer, and one passage caught my eye. Any idea what this means? What could the element be? I'd like to hear some thoughts. Thx! Mistborn spoilers Spoiler The bead of Lerasium he took from the Well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoomsday Posted August 7, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 14 minutes ago, Calderis said: Mistborn spoilers Hide contents The bead of Lerasium he took from the Well. I thought it might have been that, but I wasn't sure. Thx! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 On 4.06.2013 at 7:38 AM, little wilson said: As of tonight at the Provo Library signing, Brandon confirmed that the element is the bead of Lerasium. Which confirms both this theory, and the theory that Hoid wrote the letter (which, let's face it, everyone knew anyway). Edit for disclaimer: When I asked the question, I also thought the element and the lerasium were different. I asked it as a "Hoid clearly has a habit for taking important items. He has the bead of lerasium and the element. What other items does he have that we should know about?" Brandon's response was that the bead and the element are the same. And that he has many items he should not have. Unfortunately, my phone's battery power was super-low so I couldn't record this response. But if any of you doubt me, ask Mi'ch or Josh. Or Peter. They were all there. I can't find it in theoryland though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 He made a big deal about his flute which I'm sure has a lot of mileage on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 53 minutes ago, Oversleep said: I can't find it in theoryland though. I hadn't seen that. Just this WoP Quote 11 Botanica Let me first assure you that the element is quite safe.[7] What is this "element"? Is it the Lerasium bead that Hoid bears? Peter Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted August 7, 2017 Report Share Posted August 7, 2017 26 minutes ago, Extesian said: I hadn't seen that. Just this WoP with two confirmations, the element is lerasium beyond doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheDoomsday Posted August 8, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 I'm kinda disappointed in a way. I was expecting something a bit more mysterious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 34 minutes ago, TheDoomsday said: I'm kinda disappointed in a way. I was expecting something a bit more mysterious. Aah the more interesting one is this Quote Have you given up on the gemstone, now that it is dead? Best idea seems to be an Aether but it's uncertain as far as I know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Velvet Thunder Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 3 minutes ago, Extesian said: Aah the more interesting one is this Best idea seems to be an Aether but it's uncertain as far as I know. Or perhaps... a special topaz? The stone that became utterly worthless because he wore it as a name. Maybe it has more meaning and was a gemstone of power.. Oh my, I do love speculating! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lightspine Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 I was thinking it could have been the black sphere which Szeth hid away (given by Gavilar) and Hoid had retrieved it somehow. That would've been a lot more interesting. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 6 hours ago, Extesian said: Aah the more interesting one is this Best idea seems to be an Aether but it's uncertain as far as I know. It is referring to Topaz, which was his name in Dragonsteel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted August 8, 2017 Report Share Posted August 8, 2017 5 hours ago, Pagerunner said: It is referring to Topaz, which was his name in Dragonsteel. It would be very unusual for me to question your sourcing, but that WoB doesn't say that. It refers to his talk with Kaladin. Is there something more that makes you so confident? Seems likely but I feel I'm missing something extra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, Extesian said: It would be very unusual for me to question your sourcing, but that WoB doesn't say that. It refers to his talk with Kaladin. Is there something more that makes you so confident? Seems likely but I feel I'm missing something extra The other parts of the epigraph in question (and the one before it) are talking about Hoid's names - that of his old master, his current name of Wit, just 'my old friend.' The quote is the only legal place to establish Topaz as a name of Hoid (since we can talk about WoBs, but not Dragonsteel itself). I suppose it is possible that Frost went on an unrelated tangent to tall about a different topic and an unrelated gemstone in the middle of his discussion of Hoid's names. But knowledge that Hoid went by the name of Topaz once makes the meaning abundantly clear, in my opinion. It would be the same as arguing that Frost is not the person writing the letter - strictly speaking, we don't have an airtight case for it (as has been pointed out to me), but the conclusion is so overwhelming that it would almost require specific misdirection on Brandon's part to be something else. Edited August 9, 2017 by Pagerunner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 I was being a bit thick@Pagerunner. Quote I’ll address this letter to my “old friend,” as I have no idea what name you’re using currently. Have you given up on the gemstone, now that it is dead? And do you no longer hide behind the name of your old master? I am told that in your current incarnation you've taken a name that references what you presume to be one of your virtues. This is, I suspect, a little like a skunk naming itself for its stench. I'd seen discussions on it before that speculated on what it would be. But now you draw attention to it, it does clearly sound like he's referring to the name Topaz (with the implication that there was an actual topaz that is now 'dead'). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 (edited) Could it perhaps be the tears of edgli bringing the power of nalthis and endowment into play. Edited August 9, 2017 by Nathrangking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Nathrangking said: Could it perhaps be the tears of edgli bringing the power of nalthis and endowment into play. What part are you referring to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 The element which is being kept safe perhaps until he finds the right opportunity to add it to the field of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathon Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 39 minutes ago, Nathrangking said: The element which is being kept safe perhaps until he finds the right opportunity to add it to the field of play. If I am not mistaken, I believe that has been confirmed to refer to the bead of lerasium he took off of scadrial Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calderis Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 48 minutes ago, Nathrangking said: The element which is being kept safe perhaps until he finds the right opportunity to add it to the field of play. As @Jonathon said and the first half of this thread shows, the element is confirmed from multiple sources as the bead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nathrangking Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 I have a problem with that theory because keeping it safe implies a danger it has been confirmed that he ate the bead and gained allomancy. In my mind at least the wording makes little sense if he is referring to something that could not in actuality come into danger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pagerunner Posted August 9, 2017 Report Share Posted August 9, 2017 39 minutes ago, Nathrangking said: I have a problem with that theory because keeping it safe implies a danger it has been confirmed that he ate the bead and gained allomancy. In my mind at least the wording makes little sense if he is referring to something that could not in actuality come into danger. That's another thing that isn't 100% airtight, except this is a topic Brandon has been intentionally evasive on. 'Did he eat the bead?' 'He is an Allomancer... So there's your answer.' Very shifty. I think a lerasium spike (or neck, even a lerasium tattoo) could fulfill both WoBs, but since we don't have the slightest inkling of what either would mean, Brandon is intentionally keeping us in the dark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Extesian Posted August 10, 2017 Report Share Posted August 10, 2017 So just to confirm me wrong and @Pagerunner right further Quote Questioner: The Second Letter, Frost mentions a gemstone, is that in the Moon Scepter? Brandon: No, good question. That is a Topaz, which was associated with him for a long time and had some mystical properties. Boskone Sunday Signing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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