Where could Earth fit in to the Cosmere?

[AnonymousFan]

Ok before I get started with a small theory, I believe Brandon stated somewhere that Earth was not part of the cosmere. But this is just theorizing so let's see what we can come up with .

 

So, I was thinking. Humans had to come from somewhere in the cosmere. (Ati, Rayse, Lerasi, and all the rest were humans before they took up the shards I believe)

Now, what if earth was the first planet with human life where all of them came from. (A possible reason most of the planets have the same animals and vegetation found on earth, horses being the main example but also the fruits etc. Like strawberries from Shinovar)

So, what if we became a class III civilization according to the Kardashev scale and there's a few possible theories that could come from this. 

1. They discovered something "Adonalsium"

2. They became powerful enough to alter physics or even their biology creating the ability to tamper with heaven (the spiritual and cognitive realms). (This is a fictional series so thIs could be possible).

Continuing with my theory... A cataclysm or some sort of war happened and the many nations of earth splintered. Now like I said this could be a class 3, super advanced civilization, their leaders could have immense power enough to create worlds. I don't have much explanation from all the worlds starting from scratch without their electronics. But it does explain things like:

*SPOILER for Mistborn series*

Spoiler

Sazed knows about radio communication and flight, he mentions to waxillium that they should have developed that and much more (irrigation) by now. Something he gained when he took up the powers and knowledge of the shards.

Anyways that's just a theory. What do you guys think?

 

Personally I think earth isn't part of the cosmere, but If Brandon was going to pull an amazing twist this seems like something he would do.

[Andy92]

You're actually not too far off in your train of thought, but the planet those Shardholders were from is called Yolen. So no Earth, but you're thinking along the right lines. 

[Calderis he/him]

Brandon has stated flatly that earth will never be a part of the Cosmere. 

He removed the Rithmatist from the Cosmere because he decided even a heavily altered fictional alternate reality earth was something he didn't want in it. 

You can keep it in your head canon, but Brandon's made his position pretty clear. 

[AnonymousFan]

54 minutes ago, Andy92 said:

You're actually not too far off in your train of thought, but the planet those Shardholders were from is called Yolen. So no Earth, but you're thinking along the right lines. 

Oh ok, I'm almost done the WOK but I've read mistborn and elantris so I probably haven't gotten to info about Yolen yet.

53 minutes ago, Calderis said:

Brandon has stated flatly that earth will never be a part of the Cosmere. 

He removed the Rithmatist from the Cosmere because he decided even a heavily altered fictional alternate reality earth was something he didn't want in it. 

You can keep it in your head canon, but Brandon's made his position pretty clear. 

Yeah I thought so. I didn't know rithmatist was part of the cosmere either, good to know. Speaking of which, is there a reason - other than to keep it purely fictional - that he doesn't want earth to be a part of this?

Edited August 6, 2017 by AnonymousFan

[Calderis he/him]

11 minutes ago, AnonymousFan said:

Yeah I thought so. I didn't know rithmatist was part of the cosmere either, good to know. Speaking of which, is there a reason - other than to keep it purely fictional - that he doesn't want earth to be a part of this?

There's a couple of WoBs that he's mentioned it, but none with a in depth reason that I've seen. 

http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1052#70

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QUESTION

What came first, Pattern or Chalklings?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Pattern was before Chalklings, good question. For some part of its existence, the Rithmatist was in the Cosmere, until I decided I just don't want Earth in the Cosmere at all, even a bizarre sort of version of Earth.

http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1134#3

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COGNIZANTASTIC

Is Calamity a Shard?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Anything that exists or takes place on any version of Earth is not cosmere.

There's more of them, but they all pretty much say the same thing as that second one. 

[Andy92]

@AnonymousFan I can't remember if Yolen has actually been mentioned in a book or not, I don't think it has. But Brandon wrote a book called Dragonsteel for his Master's thesis, and he's going to write a Dragonsteel series towards the end of his Cosmere career that will tell the backstory of the 16 Shardholders from Yolen. 

[Calderis he/him]

1 minute ago, Andy92 said:

@AnonymousFan I can't remember if Yolen has actually been mentioned in a book or not, I don't think it has. But Brandon wrote a book called Dragonsteel for his Master's thesis, and he's going to write a Dragonsteel series towards the end of his Cosmere career that will tell the backstory of the 16 Shardholders from Yolen. 

There is talk about it at one point specifically in Secret History, but I don't believe the name has come up 

[+Extesian he/him]

1 hour ago, Calderis said:

There is talk about it at one point specifically in Secret History, but I don't believe the name has come up 

Yolen? Arcanum Unbounded, Khriss' Scadrian System essay. She talks about both the Shards coming from Yolen, talks about how its ecology compares (mentions fain life) and talks about the planet being a Cosmere standard.  She mentions it in SH as the place humans originally came from, and that it's hidden, but doesn't mention it by name. 

[Calderis he/him]

2 minutes ago, Extesian said:

Yolen? Arcanum Unbounded, Khriss' Scadrian System essay. She talks about both the Shards coming from Yolen, talks about how its ecology compares (mentions fain life) and talks about the planet being a Cosmere standard.  She mentions it in SH as the place humans originally came from, and that it's hidden, but doesn't mention it by name. 

That's the part I was thinking of, totally disregarded the essays... Heh. 

[+Extesian he/him]

6 minutes ago, Calderis said:

That's the part I was thinking of, totally disregarded the essays... Heh. 

I have a nice little rule for myself that between each Cosmere book I (re)read, I read the Arcanum Unbounded essays. At least that often. Biggest cosmere lore bang-for-your-buck out there

[Calderis he/him]

Just now, Extesian said:

I have a nice little rule for myself that between each Cosmere book I (re)read, I read the Arcanum Unbounded essays. At least that often. Biggest cosmere lore bang-for-your-buck out there

What would we do without Khriss? 

[aemetha he/him]

3 hours ago, AnonymousFan said:

(Ati, Rayse, Lerasi, and all the rest were humans before they took up the shards I believe)

I don't believe this is the case according to WoB.

http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1178#5

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QUESTION

Was Bavadin nonhuman?

BRANDON SANDERSON

RAFO. There is at least one Shard who wasn't human, but I'm not ready to reveal who was or wasn't just yet.

That of course doesn't rule Earth out. After all, if we assume Brandon originally came up with the wheel of time (which makes perfect sense, because book one (by Jordan) wasn't the beginning, but it was a beginning and it simply went full circle back to the original creator Brandon at the end) then non-humans may well have evolved and become shards on Earth by another name, Yolen, in an age that came and went from a beginning that wasn't the beginning, but was a beginning.

Or I guess a cigar could just be a cigar .

[Weltall]

12 hours ago, Calderis said:

There's a couple of WoBs that he's mentioned it, but none with a in depth reason that I've seen.

Best one I can find:

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Tom Doherty

I love The Rithmatist. Great system of magic. You do these unique systems of magic, and yet you say all your worlds are related.

Brandon Sanderson

Yes, they are all related, but I didn't connect The Rithmatist to that.

Tom Doherty

Oh, okay.

Brandon Sanderson

Because The Rithmatist has connections to Earth, and I don't want the Earth books—anything on Earth—to be related to the big system of everything else, because it adds too much. Does that make sense? It adds too much baggage.

 

[Calderis he/him]

Thanks @Weltall!

I know I've read that one before, but I totally forgot about it, and I didn't see it when I was looking yesterday. That's simple, but I lot more than the ones I found. 

[AnonymousFan]

1 hour ago, Calderis said:

Thanks @Weltall!

I know I've read that one before, but I totally forgot about it, and I didn't see it when I was looking yesterday. That's simple, but I lot more than the ones I found. 

I agree, thanks @Weltall that made a lot of sense what he said about the "extra baggage" although if calamity was a shard that would actually be pretty awesome. We never really find out where it came from.

[Nathrangking he/him]

I think that leaving Earth out of it is a very good idea. Having the cosmere as a fresh slate is refreshing and allows for a new type of humanity which as he states is devoid of baggage. It certainly allows for a more interesting examination of human potential.

[Weltall]

On 8/6/2017 at 3:17 PM, FiveLate said:

@AnonymousFan

Well he is 18% done with the next Reckonersverse book right now....

Yeah, Apocalypse Guard isn't technically the same universe as Reckoners but it is part of the same multiverse and Brandon mentioned back when he announced it that one of the things it would do is explore the Reckoners mythology in more depth so the odds are good that we'll learn more about Calamity's origins over the course of the trilogy.