[OB] Where will the characters go...

[Megasif he/him]

Hey everyone. Arrived on the forum after finishing WoK, WoR, and edgedancer one after the other. 

I really enjoyed the characters' journey and development so far. Just wondering where we will see them go next, story-wise and character-development.

 

Kaladin's back in his hometown in Hearthstone, Alethkar. So we find out about his parents, the town, the situation with the freshly transformed parshmen, confrontation with Roshone?

Jasnah will be in a fight to defend a city. Could there be a meet-up between Kaladin and Jasnah? I can see him coming to help near the end of the fight when things are looking a bit hopeless as there seems to be quite a large force attacking the city, what with the stone giant in thr background.

It's a Dalinar flashback book so there will be a lot of development for him. Maybe we'll find out about his wife etc. Can we see him leaving Urithiru to meet other radiants or leaders? To unite them. Or will someone else go around in his place trying to gather the radiants so he can direct the forces from urithiru.

And more about KR history with Shallan. She is in with ghostbloods so a bit more about their intents. How about her interaction with Adolin now (Sadeas). Will there be a change from his side.

Will lift meet any of the main characters?Will we see new radiants getting introduced?

Honestly theres so much to speculate on. I'm very excited for Oathbringer.

What are everyone's thoughts on this.

Edited June 24, 2017 by Megasif

[WayneSpren he/him]

I'm excited for the Taravangian viewpoint.

[Frogs he/him]

I'm actually really excited to see what Nale does in Oathbringer. At the end of Edgedancer, he was like, "Oh I can't be crazy anymore." Will he meet up with Dalinar and help him find the Radiants? After all, he is really good at hunting them down...

[Crawgdor]

How's Adolin going to deal with having straight up .... I'm pretty new here and still getting the hang of spoiler tags so I'll throw the rest under one of those just in case

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straight up murdered Sadeas? I mean he's killed before but not in cold blood.

is he going to try to cover it up or come clean? How's he going to deal with the fallout?

 

[Calderis he/him]

3 minutes ago, Crawgdor said:

How's Adolin going to deal with having straight up .... I'm pretty new here and still getting the hang of spoiler tags so I'll throw the rest under one of those just in case

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straight up murdered Sadeas? I mean he's killed before but not in cold blood.

is he going to try to cover it up or come clean? How's he going to deal with the fallout?

 

You probably don't need to spoiler that on the Oathbringer board. Anyone who hasn't finished WoR on here is asking for spoilers. 

And that particular line of speculation absolutely dominates a few threads. 

[WhiteLeeopard she/her]

If you have any questions about Adolin, about every piece of speculation in the past 3 years ask Maxal, she is an Adolin enciclopedia . 

Apparently there will be a Moash pov. 

Not sure how much we will see of Lift, the impression so far is her story is been saved for later. 

We may get some povs from some Bridge 4. 

Szeth unfortunately will be MIA till the end 

Warbreaker warning

Spoiler

Viviana will appear

 

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

Lift will be in the book, we have WoB on that. I also think there was a recent WoB from Australia that said Axies would be mentioned, but not appear in person (that saddens me, since he is one of my favorite characters).

The storylines I´m most interested in are Adolin and the curious case of the murdered highprince, as well as Shallan & the Ghostbloods. The secret societies are interesting, so Moash and Mr. T POVs will be fun too. I also want to see more of Amaram and Mraize, as I like both characters.

Kaladin is probably the one I´m the least hyped for. He is a good character, but I feel that WoK and WoR has Kaladin overload, and so him taking the backseat here would make me quite happy. Hopefully he doesn´t save everyone at the end in this book. 

Oh, and the aforementioned Warbreaker spoiler is also interesting. 

[Calderis he/him]

31 minutes ago, Toaster Retribution said:

Lift will be in the book, we have WoB on that. I also think there was a recent WoB from Australia that said Axies would be mentioned, but not appear in person (that saddens me, since he is one of my favorite characters).

I may be misremembering, but I think he said that Axies would be in the book, but we wouldn't be getting a PoV. 

Now that I think about it though, I think I'm mixing things and that may have been a separate comment about him being in Rysn's WoR interlude... 

You're probably right and my brain hurts now. 

[Toaster Retribution he/him]

5 minutes ago, Calderis said:

I may be misremembering, but I think he said that Axies would be in the book, but we wouldn't be getting a PoV. 

Now that I think about it though, I think I'm mixing things and that may have been a separate comment about him being in Rysn's WoR interlude... 

You're probably right and my brain hurts now. 

I hope you are right, but I will set my Axies expectations low so that I'm not disappointed when the book arrives.

[WhiteLeeopard she/her]

On 2017-6-17 at 9:40 AM, Darkness said:

Q: When will we next see Axies the collector?

A: Axies is mentioned in the next book but you don’t see him, so probably in book 4.

Edited June 25, 2017 by WhiteLeeopard

[Calderis he/him]

20 minutes ago, WhiteLeeopard said:

 

Thanks @WhiteLeeopard. Sorry if I caused any confusion. 

[nervousnerd he/him]

I feel like opening the other oathgates should be a focus now that Urithiru has been found. I mean making the world that much smaller will help to bring it together; I'm not sure if Shallan or Dalinar would focus on that though. Shallan probably has to figure out what to expect from a desolation (at least until Jasnah joins the group).

Dalinar vs Taravangian is something that could come up but it may be too early; those two are working against each other too much for them a avoid each other for long though. Szeth will also have to face Taravangian eventually but I think that will happen after Szeth heads home.

I wonder how close Moash will get to Taravangian. It would be interesting to get his views as an outsider of the Diagram. I'm not sure they should trust him with how easily he betrayed Kaladin though.

Kaladin is just hard because the majority of his plotlines have been completed so we have no idea where he will be headed. He will most likely have to protect Roshone from something but I can't see him going back on that ideal even for Roshone.

Do we know where Jasnah and Hoid were headed after WoR?

[Megasif he/him]

3 hours ago, nervousnerd said:

Do we know where Jasnah and Hoid were headed after WoR?

I don't think we know at this point. I also don't think we will find out the contents of Jasnah and hoids discussion. Well not straight away anyways. We will see her KR powers in action though as she defends the city portrayed on the cover.

 

It'll be interesting to see if Dalinar will actually find out Taravangian working against him in Oathbringer. This is from the diagram that if Dalinar's not their ally then he will be an opponent. At the end of WoR, Dalinar thinks him as nothing more than a peaceful king. 

3 hours ago, nervousnerd said:

I feel like opening the other oathgates should be a focus now that Urithiru has been found. I mean making the world that much smaller will help to bring it together; 

Maybe the Kholinar oathgate could come into play. As riots are taking place in Kholinar, I think dalinar will want to start his uniting from the most familiar place, that of his home. But seeing as how it was suggested that the palace itself it built on the oathgate, it could be a while before it comes in to use.

[Calderis he/him]

13 minutes ago, Megasif said:

I don't think we know at this point. I also don't think we will find out the contents of Jasnah and hoids discussion. Well not straight away anyways. We will see her KR powers in action though as she defends the city portrayed on the cover.

There's a WoB that says they're in the unclaimed hills in that scene, but I think that's all we know 

[Megasif he/him]

1 minute ago, Calderis said:

There's a WoB that says they're in the unclaimed hills in that scene, but I think that's all we know 

Oh nice, I assumed we didn't know. I looked around a bit but did not find any mention of the location.

It could be then that she goes back to Kholinar or even the shattered plains' oathgate and to urithiru(thats been her aim for a while)

[nervousnerd he/him]

9 minutes ago, Megasif said:

Oh nice, I assumed we didn't know. I looked around a bit but did not find any mention of the location.

It could be then that she goes back to Kholinar or even the shattered plains' oathgate and to urithiru(thats been her aim for a while)

Yeah, well the unclaimed hills is a rather large area. We don't know how Hoid can travel I suppose but Jasnah seems to have to walk at the moment. I assumed that they were going to the closest area so that they could then go home.

[Guest]

12 hours ago, WhiteLeeopard said:

If you have any questions about Adolin, about every piece of speculation in the past 3 years ask Maxal, she is an Adolin enciclopedia . 

 Well, that's the first time I was referred to as an "Adolin's encyclopedia". Of course, I am always willing to share the knowledge of three years worth of discussion with respect to the character. Opinions have changed and fluctuated a lot: dominating thoughts aren't the same now as they were.

I'd say, currently, the most prevalent "opinion" is Adolin will not become a Radiant, he may end up with Shallan, but is likely to fade more into the background as the story evolves. These thoughts have been mostly sprout out following the SA3 planning which left little room for Adolin to grow as a character, but since then Brandon seems to have warmed up to him a bit (or he has decided to open up a bit about the character, whichever way). He did write one flashback chapter for Adolin (thought I will believe he actually did when I read or when he firmly confirms it) and he did make Adolin the topic of one of his FAQ Friday where he explained how the character was an unexpected growth, much like Spook was. So all isn't lost for Adolin's fans out there, but it remains quite uncertain. I'd be great of someone having actually read the book would pop by and say "Stop fretting, Adolin will not disappoint in Oathbringer.", but that would be too much to ask 

On the matter of Adolin becoming a Radiant, it seems to have run out of fashion, some still hopes it happens, such as myself, but the dominant opinion is people would rather not. Previously, most people were thinking he would become a Dustbringer, but lengthy discussions, finding out he wasn't the 10th flashback character (previously unknown), figuring out his Blade is an Edgedancer's Blade combined to strong argumentation against the Dustbringer idea has made lost traction. It still comes back, but it doesn't have the support it once did. The Adolin will revive his Blade and become an Edgedancer got very popular, at some point, but always failed to convince a strong percentage of the fandom Adolin could actually be... an Edgedancer. It has since then lost traction too, the general mood now preferring Adolin to remain "a normal guy" which also comes in pair with the "I prefer if no page time were wasted on Adolin" sentient which has been growing lately. I tend to see it as the negative backlash for the character having monopolized so much of the discussion: it is only natural those unnerved by him would become more vocal. 

So all in all, there has been many various Adolin related theories. There also are those I didn't mention such as the "evil Adolin", the Odium's champion, the Willshaper and even the Stoneward theories.

Obviously, everyone knows my most anticipated story arc is... Adolin's. His character has generated such various, interesting and in-depth discussion, I feel he definitely has earned his spot within the story. No other character has had as many theories crafted around him/her and none has created as many threads as him (I think, if he is not first, he is not far behind).

Apart from Adolin, I am highly interested in reading the Dalinar's flashbacks just as I am interested in reading his main narrative is a novelty. Dalinar never were my favorite character, but I do wish to read how his interactions with his sons will evolve. I find it extremely interesting. I expect Dalinar's thoughts on how and who to unite to change within this book and, some part of me, do hope to see him go into Blackthorn mode one last time.

Kaladin, I expect him to meet up with his parents, settle his past and probably get involved in Kholinar. While I did find the first two books very Kaladin heavy which led me to wish Oathbringer would have more Kholins, less Kaladin, I would not bet on it. I expect Kaladin to champion the major part of the main narrative and to do heroic actions, hopefully a bit less obvious this time around.

Shallan is a hard one to expect anything out of. We know she will uncover secrets, but without knowing what they might be, it is hard to predict anything, so I'll leave it there. I might be more interested in her love life than her career as a Ghostblood 

So that's all I can think of for now, but I am sure more will come.

[Calderis he/him]

25 minutes ago, maxal said:

The Adolin will revive his Blade and become an Edgedancer got very popular, at some point, but always failed to convince a strong percentage of the fandom Adolin could actually be... an Edgedancer. It has since then lost traction too

Not with me, Maxal. Not with me. I don't jump in the Adolin discussion much, because it tends to center around Shallan so much. I love both characters, but I couldn't care if, who, or how any of their romantic lives play out. 

That said, Adolin is one of my favorite characters, and the interactions with his Blade, plus the fact that his personality fits the Oaths of an Edgedancer, makes me really want the blade restoration line to happen. 

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Calderis said:

Not with me, Maxal. Not with me. I don't jump in the Adolin discussion much, because it tends to center around Shallan so much. I love both characters, but I couldn't care if, who, or how any of their romantic lives play out. 

That said, Adolin is one of my favorite characters, and the interactions with his Blade, plus the fact that his personality fits the Oaths of an Edgedancer, makes me really want the blade restoration line to happen. 

I didn't mean you specifically, but I have to face the facts I haven't manage to turn the tide completely  Many do not find the Edgedancer argumentation convincing, many still prefer the Dustbringer option and even the Willshaper option gets a lot of support, depending on whom you talk to. Of course, I have to agree not everyone will read the character the same way I do. The "Adolin loves novelty, excitement and out-of-ordinary" argument still runs pretty strong, even if I am 100% convinced it is wrong, but up until Brandon writes it in a more definitive manner, I will be my argumentation against others,

Also, the Adolin discussions haven't always centered around Shallan which is another very interesting character. Those two grouped together have generated the most interesting character related discussion I have read within my 3 years here.

[Watchcry he/him]

I'm mostly interested in learning about orders we know nothing about, such as Truthwatchers. I'd hope at the very least to discover each orders' spren and a definitive explanation of what their surges can do. 

To endure three more years of speculation about the KR orders on these forums will be unbearable!!

[Megasif he/him]

On 6/26/2017 at 10:40 AM, maxal said:

 Well, that's the first time I was referred to as an "Adolin's encyclopedia". Of course, I am always willing to share the knowledge of three years worth of discussion with respect to the character. Opinions have changed and fluctuated a lot: dominating thoughts aren't the same now as they were.

@maxalWow thanks a lot for sharing. I've seen quite a few Adolin topics but this is a nice summary. Personally, I've gone through phases where I have wanted Adolin to become a KR initially. Then I thought his character would definitely be more interesting if he didn't become a KR and had to deal with being normal. As normal as one can be, being an heir to a princedom and being one of the best swordsmen, possibly in the world. Let's face it, taking on the multiple shardbearers was no small feat. However, the theory of him talking to his shardblade is so strong, in my opinion. The others talked to their spren after becoming aware of their existence, therefore Adolin would have a really strong bond if he manages to revive it. Plus, I think it would be really pleasant to see Adolin getting a reply at some point when he talks to his Shardblade. That would be awesome.

It's possible we see a slight change in Shallan's personality in oathbringer. Her character til now was a result of her not accepting her past and putting up a facade in a sense, forging a shield to protect herself. This leads me to believe there will be some shift in her personality now that she has accepted her past, not to mention her power would increase as she has spoken more truths. 

I definitely want to learn more about the other orders. One expectation I had near the end of WoR was an interaction between the different orders' sprens. In the Arena battle, Syl senses Pattern but then loses him. I was half-expecting them to talk in Urithiru. Looking forward to some spren-spren conversations in Oathbringer.

Edited June 27, 2017 by Megasif

[kari-no-sugata]

7 hours ago, Megasif said:

It's possible we see a slight change in Shallan's personality in oathbringer. Her character til now was a result of her not accepting her past and putting up a facade in a sense, forging a shield to protect herself. This leads me to believe there will be some shift in her personality now that she has accepted her past, not to mention her power would increase as she has spoken more truths. 

I think it would be natural to expect small shifts in just about all the major characters - they all had moments towards the end of WoR that should change them. I don't know if there'll be any dramatic changes. Also, because the situation will have changed a lot, different aspects of the characters will be focused on - ie it might feel like a change even if there's not a real underlying change.

Specifically for Shallan:

She is a tricky one since we don't see any of her inner thoughts after her "big reveal" at the end of WoR. We just see a bit of her from Dalinar's perspective - "she looked far less ragged than she had when they’d first come to the city. Though their days here in Urithiru had been frantic, some good nights’ sleep had served them all quite well." I take this as a sign of her somewhat getting over her last POV scene. In the 5th section of WoR, we see almost no examples of Shallan's "wit" because of the stress she's under. I don't know if she'll feel similarly stressed early in Oathbringer - if we see her being generally witty then she's probably back to "normal". But surely there'll be some changes? I think so but they might be more on the inside, which would be typical for Lightweavers. She should be more self-aware (which might make her more sensitive to "lies") but possibly more relaxed. There's hints that she always knew she had killed her mother but just couldn't think about it - literally. Her mind would fuzz whenever she did. But now she should be mentally strong enough to accept what she did in the past. Since she'll now be able to think about it would that make her sadder? Or now that she's released from that problem, maybe she'll be more relaxed? There's various hints that she considers herself to be possibly crazy/insane/mad, and generally she has used self-depreciating comments/jokes a lot - will that go away or will it continue?

Early in WoR we see Shallan thinking about how she used to be scared about various things but having confronted them in tWoK she feels stronger. I think that's one aspect of herself that should improve in Oathbringer - she'll be less afraid of what could happen to herself, that she probably won't mentally collapse and turn into some wretch.

Definitely her circumstances have changed. She's now publicly a Radiant and people will treat her differently. Shallan being Shallan that'll change how she interacts with people. Before she was vaguely known about but relatively anonymous - now she'll be one of the most well known and recognisable people in Urithiru. Also, before she had relatively limited interactions with Dalinar, Navani and Renarin - now she should be meeting with them regularly. That did start to change towards the end of WoR of course, and should change much more during Oathbringer. She'll be less alone but have a whole set of new problems to deal with.

I don't think her interactions with Pattern will change that much. She was definitely angry at him in her last POV scene but it would be unlike her to keep on being like that. Their interactions might not be completely back to normal at the start though. Pattern himself should also change a bit - probably becoming smarter.

 

7 hours ago, Megasif said:

I definitely want to learn more about the other orders. One expectation I had near the end of WoR was an interaction between the different orders' sprens. In the Arena battle, Syl senses Pattern but then loses him. I was half-expecting them to talk in Urithiru. Looking forward to some spren-spren conversations in Oathbringer.

I was expecting that too. It felt like it had been "promised". I can see that it might not fit in particularly well with the epilogue as a whole though.

But yeah... no excuses not to have interactions between spren in the next book. How much we'll get is another matter.

[Guest]

15 hours ago, Megasif said:

@maxalWow thanks a lot for sharing. I've seen quite a few Adolin topics but this is a nice summary. Personally, I've gone through phases where I have wanted Adolin to become a KR initially. Then I thought his character would definitely be more interesting if he didn't become a KR and had to deal with being normal. As normal as one can be, being an heir to a princedom and being one of the best swordsmen, possibly in the world. Let's face it, taking on the multiple shardbearers was no small feat. However, the theory of him talking to his shardblade is so strong, in my opinion. The others talked to their spren after becoming aware of their existence, therefore Adolin would have a really strong bond if he manages to revive it. Plus, I think it would be really pleasant to see Adolin getting a reply at some point when he talks to his Shardblade. That would be awesome.

It's possible we see a slight change in Shallan's personality in oathbringer. Her character til now was a result of her not accepting her past and putting up a facade in a sense, forging a shield to protect herself. This leads me to believe there will be some shift in her personality now that she has accepted her past, not to mention her power would increase as she has spoken more truths. 

I definitely want to learn more about the other orders. One expectation I had near the end of WoR was an interaction between the different orders' sprens. In the Arena battle, Syl senses Pattern but then loses him. I was half-expecting them to talk in Urithiru. Looking forward to some spren-spren conversations in Oathbringer.

Thanks. For my part, I never saw why Adolin as a Radiant and Adolin dealing with being the only normal guy within the cast ought to be mutually exclusive. His current status is "not a Radiant" and we can safely bet his status, by the end of Oathbringer, is likely to be "still not a Radiant". I say, the character has ample time to deal with his irrelevance and it certainly does not prevent him form eventually making the big jump. 

[Megasif he/him]

21 hours ago, kari-no-sugata said:

Also, before she had relatively limited interactions with Dalinar, Navani and Renarin - now she should be meeting with them regularly. That did start to change towards the end of WoR of course, and should change much more during Oathbringer. She'll be less alone but have a whole set of new problems to deal with.

Some good points you mentioned. About this particular one, I was thinking how the dynamic would change if Jasnah arrives in Urithiru. Right now Shallan has kind of taken Jasnah's position, what with solving the mystery of Urithiru and now figuring out the KR past. She is the Scholar that knows the most atm about the past in regards to KR. Could this, maybe, suggest that Jasnah won't be arriving in Urithiru anytime soon. Just so that there could be more time for her interaction with the Kholins and making some discoveries on her own. 

There will definitely be her new internal struggle as she will be working as a double agent with the ghostbloods and how she comes to terms with that.

Looking forward to syl and pattern hating on each other

14 hours ago, maxal said:

Thanks. For my part, I never saw why Adolin as a Radiant and Adolin dealing with being the only normal guy within the cast ought to be mutually exclusive. His current status is "not a Radiant" and we can safely bet his status, by the end of Oathbringer, is likely to be "still not a Radiant". I say, the character has ample time to deal with his irrelevance and it certainly does not prevent him form eventually making the big jump. 

I am totally down with this. There could be this arc with Adolin dealing with his status as 'normal' and comes to terms with it and accepts it. Then he can go on to become a radiant. It will appease both factions of Adolin.

[kari-no-sugata]

2 hours ago, Megasif said:

Some good points you mentioned.

Thanks

 

2 hours ago, Megasif said:

About this particular one, I was thinking how the dynamic would change if Jasnah arrives in Urithiru. Right now Shallan has kind of taken Jasnah's position, what with solving the mystery of Urithiru and now figuring out the KR past. She is the Scholar that knows the most atm about the past in regards to KR. Could this, maybe, suggest that Jasnah won't be arriving in Urithiru anytime soon. Just so that there could be more time for her interaction with the Kholins and making some discoveries on her own. 

Unless Jasnah can travel much faster than a walking pace, I suspect it'll take her around a month to get to Urithiru (maybe more maybe less), assuming that's even where she's heading. She might also be heading to Urithiru in order to get to another place, via the Oathgates, so she might not stay for long. Unless Oathbringer takes place over many months, I'm not expecting to see too much of Jasnah either, unfortunately.

Going back to Shallan, the official preview for the book says "Nestled in the mountains high above the storms, in the tower city of Urithiru, Shallan Davar investigates the wonders of the ancient stronghold of the Knights Radiant and unearths dark secrets lurking in its depths", so investigation and research might be her main priority indeed. Since she's already led such a project once (with a lot of help from Jasnah's notes) then it'll be hard for her to argue against it. I'm also sure she's curious anyway and probably considers such work to be a continuation of her work to get to Urithiru in the first place - the whole point was to try to find reliable documents on the Voidbringers.

 

2 hours ago, Megasif said:

There will definitely be her new internal struggle as she will be working as a double agent with the ghostbloods and how she comes to terms with that.

I'm not sure if "double agent" is quite the right word. But yes, she'll definitely be being pulled in different directions by the Ghostbloods and the Kholins (and those around them). I'm sure she'll want to avoid doing any dirty work for the Ghostbloods but if they consider her a long term investment and want to keep a low profile then they'll probably not make anything too demanding early on. On the other hand, if the Ghostbloods want to get rid of the Kholins then things could get very messy very quickly. I think the worst case scenario for Shallan's character is if Shallan feels betrayed by the Kholins (eg Dalinar's reaction to Adolin's actions might upset her a lot), as that would effectively push her closer to the Ghostbloods. However, given Shallan's attitude towards the Ghostbloods at the end of WoR I'd be surprised if Shallan doesn't turn on them at some point. She'll definitely have some difficult choices to make, either way.

Going back to Jasnah's possible return, I would expect that things would become particularly "interesting" with relation to the Ghostbloods if/when Jasnah returns. After all, there's already plenty of bad blood between Jasnah and the Ghostbloods. Shallan deeply respects Jasnah, so that would make working with the Ghostbloods extra painful.

 

2 hours ago, Megasif said:

Looking forward to syl and pattern hating on each other

It'll be curious to see how they interact, as they have very different personalities and probably very different perspectives. Hopefully it'll provide some insight into spren culture, amongst other things.

 

2 hours ago, Megasif said:

I am totally down with this. There could be this arc with Adolin dealing with his status as 'normal' and comes to terms with it and accepts it. Then he can go on to become a radiant. It will appease both factions of Adolin.

I'm signed up for this too