Catfish he/him Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 (edited) So here are some random theories I have been thinking of... Odium is not the big bad of the cosmere, more likely he's a puppet like Golbez was ExDeath's puppet in final fantasy 4. I don't think the red stuff that Sazed talks about in Mistborn 2 assaulting Scadrial is Odium's doing but that of the true big bad (which I think has something to do with the scar). More likely quietly influenced the shattering but didn't achieve the intended goal as the intents of the shards didn't comply with or follow the direction that said big bad wanted. Adonalsium was not the creator of the creator of the cosmere, it was another entity. Likely the antithesis of aforementioned big bad that is possibly prompting Odium. Mistborn 4 will finish on Yolen. Going full circle, returning to where the cosmere story started. Sel will play a huge part in the cosmere after Stormlight 5 is done. (Not timeline wise but explaining unanswered questions.) Breath has more uses beyond awakening. Hoid will recruit an army from the spiritual realm. Forging Adonalsium? Well they aren't the most original but hey why not? Edited June 23, 2017 by Catfish
Jonathon Posted June 23, 2017 Posted June 23, 2017 15 hours ago, Catfish said: So here are some random theories I have been thinking of... Odium is not the big bad of the cosmere, more likely he's a puppet like Golbez was ExDeath's puppet in final fantasy 4. I don't think the red stuff that Sazed talks about in Mistborn 2 assaulting Scadrial is Odium's doing but that of the true big bad (which I think has something to do with the scar). More likely quietly influenced the shattering but didn't achieve the intended goal as the intents of the shards didn't comply with or follow the direction that said big bad wanted. Adonalsium was not the creator of the creator of the cosmere, it was another entity. Likely the antithesis of aforementioned big bad that is possibly prompting Odium. Mistborn 4 will finish on Yolen. Going full circle, returning to where the cosmere story started. Sel will play a huge part in the cosmere after Stormlight 5 is done. (Not timeline wise but explaining unanswered questions.) Breath has more uses beyond awakening. Hoid will recruit an army from the spiritual realm. Forging Adonalsium? Well they aren't the most original but hey why not? There are first two main things I'd like to note about your theories: 1) I agree that odium is likely not the big bad of the cosmere, but I don't think he's being used as a puppet either. Odium's goals are his own and I don't think that he'd let himself be manipulated by anything else. Also, it is still relatively early in the grand scheme of the cosmere so I doubt the main "big bad" will be revealed so early anyway. 2) I don't really know what you mean by Hoid recruiting an army from the spiritual realm. If you mean you want him to get an army of dead people, that isn't he spiritual realm, the souls of the dead go to the beyond (which we have very little information about). We've even had mention of a being known as The God Beyond, which brings me to my next point. I believe the god beyond will have some role to play in the future of the cosmere and it likely had an important role in the past of the cosmere as well. Whether it will be a positive or negative influence is yet to be seen, but I'm leaning towards negative. For all we know the God Beyond is responsible for the force attackjng scadrial, however I find it unlikely that Trell is the God Beyond. Perhaps the God Beyond had something to do with the creation of the cosmere or maybe even adonalsium itself. Then adonalsium betrayed it and that's why the God Beyond is confined to the Beyond instead of existing in one of the three main realms of the cosmere. This could lead to the God Beyond being a major competitor sometime in the future. Now about mistborn 4, I believe you're right and it will have something to do with Yolen since it is A. Towards the end of the cosmere sequence and B. Has Hoid as a major player in that era. I also think that there's a chance Hoid, or someone else, is trying to rebuild adonalsium in one way or another. We've seen Hoid going around trying to gather investiture from different shardic systems (allomancy from scadrial, he tried--and failed--to become an Elantrian, etc.). We know that Kelsier couldn't hold preservation for long because he wasn't very connected, so what if Hoid is trying to gain connection to each of the shards to be able to one day take them all up for some purpose?
Catfish he/him Posted June 27, 2017 Author Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) I didn't mean rebuilding Adonalsium... I was referring to Forging from The Emperor's Soul.... I agree with you about Odium's goals being his own but I think the big bad might be taking advantage of Odium to play the long game... Agree that The God Beyond is most likely the creator of Adonalsium.... Being trapped on the outside, ehhhh I think he's quietly playing the long game too... As for the Army from the spiritual realm, it would kinda have been done before (Lord of the Rings, Malazan, Etc.) but I think BS is going to knock our socks off... With the existence of the 3 realms I think the spiritual realm will come into play more forcefully towards the end of the cosmere... Edited June 27, 2017 by Catfish
Calderis he/him Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 @Catfish @Jonathon concerning the God beyond... I don't think it is a player that we will ever see. The Beyond is connected to the Cosmere in that everyone who dies goes there. Brandon has said that he isn't going to explore the Beyond though. It is the true afterlife, and that is something that he wants to leave to the mind of the reader. Adonalsium is not God as we think of it in a (western) religious sense. The God beyond may be. The cosmere concerns the Shards and the story(s) resulting from the shattering. The Beyond, and the God beyond, are pieces that will enter into the narrative only slightly due to the beliefs of people within the Cosmere. Their relevance to the story... Well, once someone has gone Beyond, they're gone. And the God Beyond... Is a matter of faith for some people and nothing more. I could be totally wrong, but I think this is a avenue that isn't going to play out in the books. 3
Catfish he/him Posted June 27, 2017 Author Posted June 27, 2017 Excellent point Calderis... I did not know Brandon had said he wouldn't explore the Spiritual realm... I just can't help but think it might play more of an important role than just being the Beyond... But I digress, you are probably right as I am not as familiar with a lot of WoB...
Calderis he/him Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Just now, Catfish said: Excellent point Calderis... I did not know Brandon had said he wouldn't explore the Spiritual realm... I just can't help but think it might play more of an important role than just being the Beyond... But I digress, you are probably right as I am not as familiar with a lot of WoB... Well that's probably your source of misunderstanding. The Beyond is not the spiritual realm.
Thanatos Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 I think Brandons God of the Beyond is like the Gnostic God in Pleroma. And the Cosmere and other galaxies in the universe is the demiurge universe of the Gnostics.
Catfish he/him Posted June 27, 2017 Author Posted June 27, 2017 Wait what? I thought they were the same... Please elaborate on the difference because this is completely new to me... Mind, blown!
Calderis he/him Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 Just now, Catfish said: Wait what? I thought they were the same... Please elaborate on the difference because this is completely new to me... Mind, blown! I'll have to leave that to someone else for the moment. Have to be up for work in 6 hours. If it hasn't been explained, I'll try in the morning. Goodnight. There's always another secret.
Catfish he/him Posted June 27, 2017 Author Posted June 27, 2017 Ok gotcha. Thanks for the clarification. Honestly hadn't heard anything about The Beyond but assumed that The God Beyond was the Boss of the Spiritual Realm.
Catfish he/him Posted June 27, 2017 Author Posted June 27, 2017 Finished with BoM, actually in the middle of Secret History. Possibly why I am behind most on the forum. And the whole haven't read Warbreaker thing...
Catfish he/him Posted June 27, 2017 Author Posted June 27, 2017 Really Happy to be part of the 17th shard! Everyone is awesome and I enjoy the discourse with all of you!
Catfish he/him Posted June 27, 2017 Author Posted June 27, 2017 Oh yeah sazed combining two shards show that theoretically adonalsium could be recreated... is Hoid actually for this or is it red herring and secrectly against it?
StrikerEZ he/him Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 @Catfish We don't know what Hoid is really trying to do by gathering all these different powers from different worlds, but I do think we have a WoB that it's not to recreate Adonalsium (someone please check me on this, I might just be confusing a RAFO with a confirmation that he isn't). Also, try not to double post or triple post in the future. If you want to add something to your posts, just edit it into the first one you make.
Calderis he/him Posted June 27, 2017 Posted June 27, 2017 @Catfish The spiritual realm is location and time independent as @FiveLate said. This important for a couple of reasons. Future site, like Atium shadows, is a product of glimpsing the spiritual real and looking outside of time. Because of their nature's all shards are capable of this, though some are much better/worse at it. The spiritual realm is a place of Connection. I think you'll understand that once you finish SH. Your spiritual body (spirit web) has it's own DNA (SDNA) which in cases of of hereditary magics is where that ability is determined. This is where "cracks" for after trauma that allow investiture to flow into someone, which makes sense, as in most cases, the spiritual is where investiture is. Which leads to investiture flow. Investiture, with a few exceptions, typically originates in the Spiritual Realm, flows through the Cognitive, and manifests in the physical. This means the the magic is enacted at the source, but can be changed in minor ways in the Cognitive before it manifests. We primarily see this in healing. Healing is sourced from a spiritual ideal of what the bodies perfect health is. If that ideal is imposed on the physical, the body will heal to perfect health (for the age of the person). In the Cognitive though, this effect can be filtered, so if a person has accepted a scar, or a lost limb, as a part of themselves, the healing to that portion would be stopped. Finally, as an aside, what we typically think of as the soul is actually the Cognitive aspect in the Cosmere. The Cognitive aspect is what goes beyond, and both the physical and spiritual bodies are left behind as corpses.
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