retrorocket1 Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 hmm you may be right, I just assumed because I remember him doing it mid air, but It definitely didn't feel normal.
Yata he/him Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) 14 hours ago, Calderis said: Having just quoted that from the ebook yesterday, it was just before, while he was leaping the Chasm. That said, the explosion is described as a wave of stormlight itself coming from Kaladin, which doesn't seem to fit with anything we've seen from his surges so far, so I still think it's not a normal occurance and directly related to his oddly strong Oaths. I don't want to be pedantic, but it's the same thing with the third Oath, Kal drained all the Gemstome's Stormlight in the area....and then he bursted in Stormlight. Sure there could be some "extra" but the main amount arrived from the gemstones. Or do I remember wrong ? This time I am near home, in a couple of hours I could check on the books if you want Edited June 2, 2017 by Yata
WhiteLeeopard she/her Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) It could be that Kaladin is chosen by a shard like Mistborn Spoiler Vin and Alendi were, as such always had a closer link to the shard's power. Edited June 2, 2017 by WhiteLeeopard
Crucible of Shards he/him Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 20 minutes ago, WhiteLeeopard said: It could be that Kaladin is chosen by a shard like Mistborn Reveal hidden contents Vin and Alendi were, as such always had a closer link to the shard's power. That would explain Spoiler Kaladin's highstorm visions/experiences.
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 Just now, Crucible of Shards said: That would explain Hide contents Kaladin's highstorm visions/experiences. But isn't honor dead?
Crucible of Shards he/him Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 Just now, The Flash said: But isn't honor dead? Yes, but his Cognitive shadow merged with the Stormfather IIRC. Also, Dalinar's vision seem a bit similar
Steeldancer he/him Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 Just now, Crucible of Shards said: Yes, but his Cognitive shadow merged with the Stormfather IIRC. Also, Dalinar's vision seem a bit similar Idk. It would feel a bit repetitive if it's the exact same trope as Mistborn. And Brandon Sanderson isn't about being repetitive. I think there is probably something else going on. And the soonest we will find out is November *sigh* someone get me a time machine already
Crucible of Shards he/him Posted June 2, 2017 Posted June 2, 2017 2 minutes ago, The Flash said: Idk. It would feel a bit repetitive if it's the exact same trope as Mistborn. And Brandon Sanderson isn't about being repetitive. I think there is probably something else going on. And the soonest we will find out is November *sigh* someone get me a time machine already Ok, I agree that it wouldn't be the exact same trope; however, Connection to a Shard is something that Brandon takes seriously and there is definitely something unusual about both Kaladin and Dalinar in relation to the Stormfather. He explicitly calls Kaladin "Child of Tanavast." I don't think we can write that off as bein purely about his bond to an honorspren.
Calderis he/him Posted June 2, 2017 Author Posted June 2, 2017 22 minutes ago, Crucible of Shards said: Ok, I agree that it wouldn't be the exact same trope; however, Connection to a Shard is something that Brandon takes seriously and there is definitely something unusual about both Kaladin and Dalinar in relation to the Stormfather. He explicitly calls Kaladin "Child of Tanavast." I don't think we can write that off as bein purely about his bond to an honorspren. Until we see the stormfather speak directly to someone who is a radiant, and calls them something other than this, outside of a prerecorded vision (and possibly other than Dalinar as their personal bond complicates things), I think it's presumptuous to assume that means anything more than "you have a Nahel Bond"
Jondesu he/him Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 My thinking about the actual visual explosion of light and the glyphs is that it's similar to what we've been calling (Mistborn spoilers): Spoiler Mistpoint: when Allomancers hold so much of Preservation's power it leaks out of them as mist. Since Stormlight leaks out of a Radiant naturally, if he gained a huge amount of Stormlight all at once, it could result in that explosion. The glyph I think is coming largely from Kaladin's mental state, shaped as it were by his Cognitive self. That part in particular is probably fairly unique to him because of the emotional turmoil being resolved as he does it; the glyph always seems to represent something significant to that if I remember correctly (it's the Windrunner glyph in both cases, I think, but stylized differently, which we know can affect how the meaning is interpreted).
Calderis he/him Posted June 3, 2017 Author Posted June 3, 2017 My only issue with the idea of the explosion being similar to the Mistborn bit, is we saw Kaladin and Szeth in a high storm. If that explosion were just excessive Stormlight, there should have been waves of stormlight flying out of them constantly.
Jondesu he/him Posted June 3, 2017 Posted June 3, 2017 6 minutes ago, Calderis said: My only issue with the idea of the explosion being similar to the Mistborn bit, is we saw Kaladin and Szeth in a high storm. If that explosion were just excessive Stormlight, there should have been waves of stormlight flying out of them constantly. Yeah, there's obviously something extra happening, but remember that they were also using Stormlight at a prodigious rate in the storm, flying around and fighting, and they definitely had it coming off their skin a lot; they're described as "two glowing figures", and it says about “Szeth’s glow could not be hidden, and Kaladin kept his attention on that blazing beacon”, and just before that, when Szeth dips into the storm and regains his Stormlight, it calls it a "stark white explosion". Obviously it's actually fairly similar, there just wasn't any ground for glyphs to appear on, and perhaps the visual is a bit different. The key is that for Kaladin, there's no highstorm for him to draw that much Stormlight from when those things happened. There's nowhere near enough Stormlight around, not from the gemstones in the Parshendi beards, nor from the lamps in the hallway. He's being infused with Stormlight from somewhere, I believe, but it's the source that makes him special. I do think he's going to be something like Vin, or even perhaps something akin to the Heralds; he was able to gain Stormlight perhaps from a link to Honor directly in some way (even though Honor is splintered). Perhaps more similar to Raoden, actually, where he fit the mold of what the power wanted so closely that it was fighting to be set free; Honor's power may not be bottled up and raging like the Dor, but I think there's some sort of similar mechanism in place. Not the same trope, but rather some of the underlying laws and principles of Realmatic magic linking those examples (Vin, the Heralds, Raoden, all seeming to be Champions of their Shards in a way, as well as drawing Investiture in directly from a non-typical source, with the exception of Raoden in the last part of that).
Mamba he/him Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 I know that this has been up here for a while, but I thought I would ask something that might be related to Kaladin's explosiveness Do we know if there was someone else who says the oaths before Kaladin did? we know that Jasnah has bonded and had been using her powers for awhile now, (honestly she would be the only other one that I can think of that might have said the second oath) My thought process is that Kaladin was the 'first' to return, Because of that he had some 'extra' help. Similar to Roadon but not the same.
Calderis he/him Posted September 19, 2017 Author Posted September 19, 2017 Just now, Mamba said: I know that this has been up here for a while, but I thought I would ask something that might be related to Kaladin's explosiveness Do we know if there was someone else who says the oaths before Kaladin did? we know that Jasnah has bonded and had been using her powers for awhile now, (honestly she would be the only other one that I can think of that might have said the second oath) My thought process is that Kaladin was the 'first' to return, Because of that he had some 'extra' help. Similar to Roadon but not the same. Shallan bonded Pattern as a child. She had already progressed enough that Pattern was her Shardblade with which she killed her mother. We have no way of knowing if she was the first, but Kaladin definitely wasn't.
Mamba he/him Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 Totally forgot about that, thanks, but wasn't the thing with lightweavers that as soon as they say the first oath they can summon the blade? Because they only have the one, but they gauge their progression as more of self-awareness, so couldn't Shallan still be considered as just the first oath in the progression lvl?
Calderis he/him Posted September 19, 2017 Author Posted September 19, 2017 15 minutes ago, Mamba said: Totally forgot about that, thanks, but wasn't the thing with lightweavers that as soon as they say the first oath they can summon the blade? Because they only have the one, but they gauge their progression as more of self-awareness, so couldn't Shallan still be considered as just the first oath in the progression lvl? No, they have levels just like the other orders. Their oaths are just structured as self relevant truths. Shallan's bond degraded and she's been rebuilding it. She's currently the furthest progressed Radiant we know. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1111#4 Quote TGANCHERO How many oaths can a Radiant swear? BRANDON SANDERSON There is an upper-limit/threshold to the number of oaths a Radiant may make. By the end of WoR, Shallan is a step higher than Kaladin.
Mamba he/him Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 2 hours ago, Calderis said: No, they have levels just like the other orders. Their oaths are just structured as self relevant truths. Shallan's bond degraded and she's been rebuilding it. She's currently the furthest progressed Radiant we know. http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1111#4 Ahh, perfect! that makes so much more sense to me, but I thought I might get my questions answered thanks!
ParadoxicalZen he/him Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 (edited) This talk of displays is giving me an amusing image of whenever a character levels in a game. I would interpret the WoB as saying its only for some orders and not the surgebinders themselves but for me it is close call. I am certainly intrigued as to why this is case, regardless of who it applies to. As for your theory C, I would currently agree with it as it kind of reminds me when you have an epiphany; the idea behind it is simple in essence, but the amount of effort to actually come to it's realisation would be like climbing a mountain you made out of a molehill. The harder you work against it, the more you slap yourself for being a chullhead for not understanding it sooner when you finally do. Edited September 19, 2017 by ParadoxicalZen
Velvet Thunder he/him Posted September 19, 2017 Posted September 19, 2017 I generally seem to be wrong as I forget particular details often, but here's my thought - We know that to become a radiant/surgebinder you need to have a cracked spirit web, generally caused by some kind of serious emotional/other trauma. That new gap in the spirit web is allowed to be filled by a spren, who provides the individual with a gateway/access/bridge for investiture to flow through, allowing them to surgebind. With Kaladin, it seems to me that every time he has sworn a new oath, he has been suffering some kind of trauma, generally a combination of physical, emotional and (I don't know what to call this one so) 'personalitial'. I'll explain my new sexy word and my reasoning - Kaladin is a very conflicted person. He wants to do the right thing, but, due to many reasons, has extreme biases and prejudices. Despite where they came from, how they came about and his honorable struggle to try to do what is right, they ARE now a part of him. That is what he is. It may change over a long period of time, but currently they are a part of him as much as his skin. Now, despite these defining and strong personality traits, he always ends up eventually going against them and doing the right thing. He goes against what his own mind stands for, and casts aside his own 'self' to do the right thing. I think this might crack his spirit web even further, as what else would damage you more in a 'personalitial' way than going against yourself, that deep dark you in the center that only you know. Through this expansion in the cracks but the bond growing stronger simultaneously, it actually allows more investiture to flow in as the bond expands into these 'gaps', at a faster rate and a larger quantity, resulting in a temporary surge in investiture acting like some kind of arcane explosion. The others don't seem to be going against what they are, rather continuing their current deeds and ways about the world etc. Thus no more cracking, and no big boom. Which is better? We've seen it work well for Kaladin, but the lasting effects of further breaking your spirit web? Who knows, it could be bad. Really bad. Or it could be weirdly good and allow him to do even more cool stuff. Let me know what you think and where I am terribly mistaken and thus need to learn. I like learning
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