Calderis he/him Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 @TheMediocreMind during SA, Vivenna would be less than 300 years old. The last desolation was 4500 Rosharan years (almost 5000 standard years) ago.
Fifth of Daybreak he/him Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 I've believed it's Ivis for years. I'll lay out my evidence below. 1: Ivis breaks Rosharan tradition and teaches fighting. While ardents are allowed to break tradition, social customs sometimes hold stronger than any written law, so for Vivenna to be the female ardent that trains people in the sword makes sense sense when won't have ingrained cultural restrictions. 2: Ivis works closely with Zahel. We see it in 44 when she's first introduced. She even knows where Zahel is when he's relaxing without being asked. Quote Kaladin walked along, searching among them, but didn't find Zahel. He even peeked in the man's room, but it was empty. "Up above, bridgeman!" one of the ardents called. The bald woman pointed toward the stairwell at the corner, where Kaladin had often sent guards to secure the roof when Adolin and Renarin practiced. WoR Chapter 81 The Last Day 3: Ardents are bald. It's the easiest way to hide away traitorous royal locks. 4: I tested the theory by asking Brandon what color her hair would be if she didn't cut it (scared of the almighty RAFO). He answered black, which is what Vivenna's neutral color is when she's in control of her emotional state. There's been some discussion on this topic before. I think there's more than just this, but here's a link to one of the threads.
Steeldancer he/him Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 13 minutes ago, Fifth of Daybreak said: I've believed it's Ivis for years. I'll lay out my evidence below. 1: Ivis breaks Rosharan tradition and teaches fighting. While ardents are allowed to break tradition, social customs sometimes hold stronger than any written law, so for Vivenna to be the female ardent that trains people in the sword makes sense sense when won't have ingrained cultural restrictions. 2: Ivis works closely with Zahel. We see it in 44 when she's first introduced. She even knows where Zahel is when he's relaxing without being asked. 3: Ardents are bald. It's the easiest way to hide away traitorous royal locks. 4: I tested the theory by asking Brandon what color her hair would be if she didn't cut it (scared of the almighty RAFO). He answered black, which is what Vivenna's neutral color is when she's in control of her emotional state. There's been some discussion on this topic before. I think there's more than just this, but here's a link to one of the threads. By WoB, we haven't seen her yet. She's looking for Vasher, apparently. 1
Fifth of Daybreak he/him Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 5 minutes ago, Steeldancer said: By WoB, we haven't seen her yet. She's looking for Vasher, apparently. Can you post it here? Seems like the most relevant thing anyone's said on the thread and it would be nice to have on hand.
Steeldancer he/him Posted October 30, 2017 Posted October 30, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Fifth of Daybreak said: Can you post it here? Seems like the most relevant thing anyone's said on the thread and it would be nice to have on hand. *sniff* I'm awful at finding WoB. It would be lovely if I were an ARCANIST. I'll look around and post it if I find it. Found it! Q: What happened to Vivienna?A: She's looking for Vasher. Keep your eyes wide open when reading Oathbringer. Edited October 30, 2017 by Steeldancer 2
Jofwu he/him Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 That WoB doesn't say we haven't seen her yet. (not that I think we have)
Weltall Posted November 1, 2017 Posted November 1, 2017 It doesn't say it but it implies it. If she's looking for Vasher in the present tense than she hasn't found him yet (which means she can't be Ivis) and since Brandon told us to pay attention in Oathbringer the additional implication is that we can't figure this out just with the first two books.
Vortaan he/him Posted November 2, 2017 Posted November 2, 2017 My money is on a new character in the Thaylen interludes. That would be a good place to hide her without it being too obvious, but something people like us would pick up on. I'm going to guess she won't use the same kinds of slang that Vasher uses though, being Idris. Or maybe she would? Now I'm curious about the (previously unheard) Halladren metaphors and whether they carried over to Idris after the rebellion, or if they are something pre-Idris.
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