Turtle373 Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 I was rereading WoK and during the first vision that we get to see, the one when the midnight essence attack a villiage and Dalinar fights them, one of the people in the vision curses by saying three gods theory time so its obvious that the ancient people had better understanding of the shards then the current Rosharians because we know that there are three Shards on Roshar/Roshar system Odium, Honor, Cultivation, and maybe the reason they know more is because of the teachings of the Heralds, who have probably had direct contact with Honor, and I don't know where else to go with this, your turn to speculate for info on this WoK ch 19 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Good observation. Never noticed it personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosmereAvair Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 I would like to think that Dalinar's flash backs are a gift from the Night watcher when he got his memory removed on his wife. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 17 minutes ago, CosmereAvair said: I would like to think that Dalinar's flash backs are a gift from the Night watcher when he got his memory removed on his wife. Haven't they been confirmed to be from the Stormfather? It's indicative that someone is undergoing to process to becoming a bondsmith. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 1 hour ago, Spoolofwhool said: Haven't they been confirmed to be from the Stormfather? It's indicative that someone is undergoing to process to becoming a bondsmith. Considering that Gavilar was also getting them (and was further along the path of the Bondsmith), I'd say that's as good as a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blightsong Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 38 minutes ago, Argent said: Considering that Gavilar was also getting them (and was further along the path of the Bondsmith), I'd say that's as good as a fact. I dont think we know if Gavilar was further along or not. Based on how wrong some of his beliefs were, and the fact that the stormfather was hesitant even to bond Dalinar, i would guess that he wasnt as far along. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 10 minutes ago, Blightsong said: I dont think we know if Gavilar was further along or not. Based on how wrong some of his beliefs were, and the fact that the stormfather was hesitant even to bond Dalinar, i would guess that he wasnt as far along. I thought there was a relatively recent WoB confirming exactly that. Though I admit that the Stormfather's hesitance does make me doubt it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blightsong Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 36 minutes ago, Argent said: I thought there was a relatively recent WoB confirming exactly that. Though I admit that the Stormfather's hesitance does make me doubt it. The most recent WoB on Gavilar is just that he was on the path to becoming a Bondsmith, not that he was further along then Dalinar. Easy mistake to make. It makes sense that Gavilar would have at least fpund out what was happening to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuantumSpren Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 Why was Dalinar able to effect his visions (interacting and talking with characters and fighting midnight essences), but was unable to talk with Honor? I know that he was dead but the others he talked to were also dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 22 minutes ago, QuantumSpren said: Why was Dalinar able to effect his visions (interacting and talking with characters and fighting midnight essences), but was unable to talk with Honor? I know that he was dead but the others he talked to were also dead. Magic interactive visions. Honor's message was more of a plain pre-recording though. You can predict how people will act, you can't predict a god. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle373 Posted January 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 6 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said: Magic interactive visions. Honor's message was more of a plain pre-recording though. You can predict how people will act, you can't predict a god. interesting, never thought about why he could interact with the people, just thought of it as something that just happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted January 24, 2017 Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 16 minutes ago, turtle373 said: interesting, never thought about why he could interact with the people, just thought of it as something that just happens I'm really just guessing about the visions. Honor does make it sound like his parts are just pre-recordings though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turtle373 Posted January 24, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2017 yeah, especially since Dalinar can't react to him, I think he calls them journals or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeakoftheDeval Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 Maybe the third god is more related to the third bondsmith than Odium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teknopathetic Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) On 1/25/2017 at 3:27 AM, Argent said: Considering that Gavilar was also getting them (and was further along the path of the Bondsmith), I'd say that's as good as a fact. A homeless man also is said to be "raving about uniting the people" before he met his untimely end. I always wonder what that homeless man's arc might have been? The homeless uniting would have been truly awesome. Throw in some Viveena and I am sold. Edited January 25, 2017 by teknopathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rasarr Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 18 hours ago, QuantumSpren said: Why was Dalinar able to effect his visions (interacting and talking with characters and fighting midnight essences), but was unable to talk with Honor? I know that he was dead but the others he talked to were also dead. It's like Dalianar is dropped in a video game. People are NPCs with dialogue options, but Honor is too big of an asset for Dalinar to download, so he's just a cutscene. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuantumSpren Posted January 25, 2017 Report Share Posted January 25, 2017 6 minutes ago, Rasarr said: It's like Dalianar is dropped in a video game. People are NPCs with dialogue options, but Honor is too big of an asset for Dalinar to download, so he's just a cutscene. I like that analogy, it makes sense that the person who can see possible futures (though not very well) would not be able to be recreated in the vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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