wildbuc117 he/him Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) There is no evidence for this obviously, but I think that Nale will die saving Lyft. It is just a feeling I have. I also think, but again no evidence for it, that the heralds, or knights radiant, did to Honor what the 16 did to Adolnasium. "1118251011127124915121010111410215117112101112171344831110715142541434109161491493412122541010125127101519101112341255115251215755111234101112915121061534 " Edited January 10, 2017 by wildbuc117
asterion137 he/him Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) where is that string of numbers from and do we know what it means? Edit: nvm Edited January 10, 2017 by asterion137
Oversleep Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 3 minutes ago, asterion137 said: where is that string of numbers from and do we know what it means? That's from one of the epigraphs in WoR (chapter 84). It means "Hold the secret that broke the Knights Radiant. You may need it to destroy the new orders when they return.". 1
wildbuc117 he/him Posted January 10, 2017 Author Posted January 10, 2017 those numbers are the only reason i think that second thought haha
emailanimal he/him Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) 9 hours ago, Oversleep said: That's from one of the epigraphs in WoR (chapter 84). It means "Hold the secret that broke the Knights Radiant. You may need it to destroy the new orders when they return.". Edit: @wildbuc117 Uhm... the parallel does not quite work. Taravagnian clearly understands that whatever broke KR can be reused again. If that was what killed Honor, it'd be weird, because Honor (as well as Adonalsium) could be killed only once, whereas the Diagram indicates, that KRs can be broken repeatedly with this one little secret. So... what you are thinking is not impossible (although I think that there is a WoB somewhere concerning the chronology of the Recreance vs. Splintering of Honor), but the reason why you think it is the case does not really support your theory. Edited January 10, 2017 by emailanimal
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 Nale dying for Lift sounds plausible, and it would work as a sort of redemption story, with him beginning as her antagonist, and ends as the guy who sacrificed himself for her. It might feel a little predictable too, but if it does happen, I'm quite sure that it will be well executed, and work beautifully. Most things in Stormlight tend to do that.
The One Who Connects he/him Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 25 minutes ago, Chull #445 said: a sort of redemption story, with him beginning as her antagonist, and ends as the guy who sacrificed himself for her. Reminds me of a plot point of a different Sanderson Book. Makes me feel that it's less likely, but it's well within his writing ability to make it vastly different from one series to another. 1
wildbuc117 he/him Posted January 10, 2017 Author Posted January 10, 2017 11 hours ago, emailanimal said: Edit: @wildbuc117 Uhm... the parallel does not quite work. Taravagnian clearly understands that whatever broke KR can be reused again. If that was what killed Honor, it'd be weird, because Honor (as well as Adonalsium) could be killed only once, whereas the Diagram indicates, that KRs can be broken repeatedly with this one little secret. So... what you are thinking is not impossible (although I think that there is a WoB somewhere concerning the chronology of the Recreance vs. Splintering of Honor), but the reason why you think it is the case does not really support your theory. From what I can find Honor was still whole at the breaking of the oathpact but there isn't a timeline yet of whether the Recreance or his shattering occurred first. I think it still might be plausible, though less so, as he only needs to know what the secret is, not necessarily perform it (that phrasing is a little off hmmm). If the secret was that the Heralds shattered Honor (which may explain why they have all gone insane, which I'm almost 100% certain they all went insane as I think it popped up in a WOB recently) in an attempt to trap Odium and stop the Desolations, the orders disintegrated upon learning this "secret". Then as long as Taravangian knows the secret, he can use it as a bomb to implode the knights radiant again. My point is that he doesn't need to perform the action again as long as the secret was just knowledge of something that would shatter their beliefs. The rest of what I have written is heavily based on Honor's shattering before the Recreance.
emailanimal he/him Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 1 hour ago, wildbuc117 said: From what I can find Honor was still whole at the breaking of the oathpact but there isn't a timeline yet of whether the Recreance or his shattering occurred first. Yes, the chronology seems to be: (1) Last Desolation, (2) many many many many years later: Recreance, (3) some time later: splintering of Honor (I think we use the term "splintering" when talking about the fates of Shards: Devotion, Dominion, Honor, while "Shattering" with a capital "S" is reserved for the fate of Adonalsium). What is not clear is whether the splintering of Honor has been reflected on Roshar in any specific memorable way that has been recorded. Based on what we know so far, it does not seem to be the case.
USS bridge four he/him Posted January 10, 2017 Posted January 10, 2017 The church thing can't remember name as a reflection of honor shattering.
wildbuc117 he/him Posted January 10, 2017 Author Posted January 10, 2017 (edited) 28 minutes ago, emailanimal said: What is not clear is whether the splintering of Honor has been reflected on Roshar in any specific memorable way that has been recorded. Based on what we know so far, it does not seem to be the case. The shattered planes maybe? Kinda like a giant earthquake in another one of his books. Edited January 10, 2017 by wildbuc117
emailanimal he/him Posted January 11, 2017 Posted January 11, 2017 2 hours ago, wildbuc117 said: The shattered planes maybe? Kinda like a giant earthquake in another one of his books. Could be. Trying remember what we know about their origin....
Krandacth Posted January 11, 2017 Posted January 11, 2017 5 hours ago, emailanimal said: Could be. Trying remember what we know about their origin.... They have symmetry and formation similar to others apparently created by cymatics. If we trust the presented histories, that suggests they were created by the Dawnsingers... More direct references in history state that Stormseat was shattered into the Shattered Plains during the last recorded Desolation (I forget the spelling of the official name used... Aharetiem or something?). What does that suggest about the Dawnsingers, I wonder... 1
+Extesian he/him Posted January 11, 2017 Posted January 11, 2017 9 hours ago, emailanimal said: Yes, the chronology seems to be: (1) Last Desolation, (2) many many many many years later: Recreance, (3) some time later: splintering of Honor (I think we use the term "splintering" when talking about the fates of Shards: Devotion, Dominion, Honor, while "Shattering" with a capital "S" is reserved for the fate of Adonalsium). What is not clear is whether the splintering of Honor has been reflected on Roshar in any specific memorable way that has been recorded. Based on what we know so far, it does not seem to be the case. Correct, WoB confirmed this (or close enough). Quote INTERVIEW: Oct 12th, 2015 Shadows of Self-Oak Brook, IL QUESTION Was Honor Shattered before or after the Recreance? BRANDON SANDERSON I believe after. I'm pretty sure. I mean, he has memories of the Recreance.
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