How you guys think the Spiritual Realm functions?

[Thanatos]

Excerpt from WoA. When Vin gained the power of the well.

 

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Then she started to burn. She recognized the sensation: it was exactly like the feeling of burning metals in her stomach, except it came from her entire body. Her skin flared, her muscles flamed, and her very bones seemed on fire. She gasped, and realized the metal was gone from her throat.She was glowing. She felt the power within, as if it were trying to burst back out. It was like the strength she gained by burning pewter, but amazingly more potent. It was a force of incredible capacity. It would have been beyond her ability to understand, but it expanded her mind, forcing her to grow and comprehend what she now possessed.She could remake the world. She could push back the mists. She could feed millions with the wave of her hand, punish the evil, protect the weak. She was in awe of herself. The cavern was as if translucent around her, and she saw the entire world spreading, a magnificent sphere upon which life could exist only in a small little area at the poles. She could fix that. She could make things better. She could . . .She could save Elend.She glanced down and saw him dying. She immediately understood what was wrong with him. She could fix his damaged skin and sliced organs.

Thats Vin ascending. 

But she didnt use the power like TLR. She gave it up.

Edited December 24, 2016 by Thanatos

[Thanatos]

When Leras died his body appeared. 

 

[Spoolofwhool]

47 minutes ago, Thanatos said:

Excerpt from WoA. When Vin gained the power of the well.

 

Thats Vin ascending. 

But she didnt use the power like TLR. She gave it up.

I see. I'm still of the opinion that it doesn't count as an ascension because while she did touch it, she didn't use it. Touching the power gave her an understanding of what could be done, but without using it such that the power would actually flow using her as a conduit, it wouldn't be an ascension, nor would she count as a sliver, as a result. As seen the WoB below, Brandon is implying that Vin did not count as a sliver until after she became the vessel of Preservation and killed Ati, unlike TLR who was a sliver after touching the well, because he ascended. 

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Also, would the Elantrians and the Lerasium-mistings be considered Slivers? Or is just the Lord Ruler and Vin Slivers (Via the Well)? Or do you need more power to be considered a Sliver?

BRANDON SANDERSON (GOODREADS)

Elantrians are not slivers. Mistborn trilogy spoiler warnings follow! The Lord Ruler was indeed a Sliver. So was Vin. For the rest, I would say probably not.

What defines an actual Sliver of Adonalsium is not as clear-cut as you might think. It's a term that in-universe people who study this have applied to various existences and states. Every single person on the world of Scadrial has a bit of Leras in them—a bit of the power of Preservation. Every single person has a bit of Ati in them. There's a certain threshold where these scholars would call you a Sliver of Adonalsium. But I would say that any regular Misting is probably not a Sliver. A full Lerasium Mistborn is getting closer, but people who have held one of the powers are what would probably be termed a Sliver by the definitions. If you hold all the power that makes you a Shard, but the Lord Ruler held a little bit of it and then let it go. From then on they referred to that change in him—the residue, what was left—as a Sliver. When he held it he became the Shard for a short time, and Vin was a Shard for a short time. After Vin gave up the power, what Kelsier is at the end of the trilogy—that's a Sliver of Adonalsium.

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[Thanatos]

Spoolofwhool

 

His confirming it.

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Lord Ruler held a little bit of it and then let it go. From then on they referred to that change in him—the residue, what was left—as a Sliver. When he held it he became the Shard for a short time, and Vin was a Shard for a short time. After Vin gave up the power, 

His refering to the well here. 

Kelsier holding the actual shard then letting it go is a Sliver of Uncle Andy. Same with all shard holders.

But ascending with 'The Well of Ascension' is still ascension.

Like i said before, using the power of said well matters not. She 'had' the power. It was within her burstinf to break free. 

Reread my quote of the part of the book when she took the power. 

She had it within her.

[Spoolofwhool]

6 minutes ago, Thanatos said:

Spoolofwhool

 

His confirming it.

His refering to the well here. 

Kelsier holding the actual shard then letting it go is a Sliver of Uncle Andy. Same with all shard holders.

But ascending with 'The Well of Ascension' is still ascension.

Like i said before, using the power of said well matters not. She 'had' the power. It was within her burstinf to break free. 

Reread my quote of the part of the book when she took the power. 

She had it within her.

I still disagree. There's nothing to indicate that he's referring to the Well of Ascension in the case of Vin, and the difference in wording seems to be indicating that there was a difference between TLR's and Vin's ascension. TLR became a shard, Vin was a shard. In addition, yes, Vin has her description of how it help, but I consider out-of-world commentary more informative on binding on those matters. In any case, I admit that the information I've found is up to interpretation, though the Coppermind has it listed that Vin only became a sliver after she took up Preservation, not after the Well, so it may be that there is some other information out there that person who wrote the page used.

[Thanatos]

Agree to disagree

 All good

[Yata he/him]

Vin didn't appear "peculiar" form the Cognitive, I assume the Sliver-status carries some features within your Soul's look. Rashek looks unique, but he is also very powerful, I will also add that Leras see Rashek as a marvelous being because with the Sliver status He was "preserved", He didn't never mention something like that for Vin.

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What about a Lerasium savant? Or would that require so much Lerasium that the person attempting it would ascend to become a new Shardholder?

BRANDON SANDERSON

Basically, this is what ascension is.

So also there Brandon itself confirm the point of everybit of Preservation's Investiture is ok to reach godhood

Edited December 24, 2016 by Yata

[Thanatos]

TLR is different.

1st. He was a Mistborn and a Feruchemy user.

2nd. He was over a thousand years old. A savant on many levels across two different powers.

3rd. And then some.

[Jondesu he/him]

Ascension isn't a one-time done type of thing, though.  TLR ascended when he used the Well, and remained a Sliver after, but he… descended(?) when the power of the Well was used up.  He didn't remain ascended (otherwise he would have still been holding onto the power of the well, but we know he wasn't).

[Thanatos]

Jondesu

Correct. Same when Vin let the power go after holding it.

This would have changed their spirit web greatly. 

Plus TLR hung onto abit when he deascended

[Djarskublar he/him]

Being a sliver is holding the power, and then not holding the power. It changes you. Come to think of it, it is exactly the same as savantism. You fill the soul with power such that it stretches, and when you let it go, it doesn't shrink down the same way. Ascending is just a lot... bigger.

@Spoolofwhool @Thanatos :

Vin experienced mind expansion. She definitely was holding the power, and therefore Ascended. She was Ascended, so she was a Sliver after she let it go. It is the same thing as Stormlight. She took the power by dipping into the pool (equal to inhaling Light), she held the power and Ascended, and then rather than do anything with it, she let it leak away (same as a Surgebinder sucking in Light, and then not binding anything with it, they still had the power). She then later Ascended again with the mist. No rules against that, Thanatos.

I think that is a conclusive argument, so I will bring this back on topic XD

My personal thoughts on the function of the SR is that it is like a web or a pool. While location doesn't matter on it, it is like those in that if you pull on one Connection of a person or thing, you can affect things that are also Connected to it. I simultaneously think of Identity and Connection like a massive matrix of all sorts of values, though I don't know enough about matrices to say anything more on the subject from that perspective.

On a more meaningful and less abstract note, your spiritweb exists in the SR, so if you can affect your own, you may be able to hack it to affect other peoples, since location is irrelevant in the SR. There are issues with understanding how your powers work actually affecting how they work (see: awakening, soulcasting, lightweaving), but you may be able to do some interesting stuff.

[Thanatos]

I agree with your above post Djarskublar

[Spoolofwhool]

I'm still disagreeing, because it appears to me that no matter how it was described in-book, WoG appears to be implying that Vin only became a sliver after she was the vessel of Preservation. Nonetheless, I don't see how this really matters to the overall topic, so let's just leave it until someone gets a definitive answer.

Please don't bring me back towards this line of discussion.

Edited December 24, 2016 by Spoolofwhool

[Thanatos]

Just quickly Spoolofwhool.

I never said Vin became a Sliver when she took the power of the Well, just that she ascended.

But like i said im happy to agree to disagree. Its all good

[Spoolofwhool]

1 hour ago, Thanatos said:

Just quickly Spoolofwhool.

I never said Vin became a Sliver when she took the power of the Well, just that she ascended.

But like i said im happy to agree to disagree. Its all good

If she ascended at that point she became a sliver afterwards. unless you're proposing that it's possible to ascend without afterwards being a sliver when you lose the power. 

[Thanatos]

Yes its possible.

Vin is a Sliver of Preservation on account of holding Preservation briefly. She was not a Sliver after using the Well of Ascension.

She didnt become a Sliver from the Well because she didnt hold the power long enough to change her spirit web to Sliver status. She gave up the power before the small time period a person has that power for. 

TLR held the power longer therefore was changed into a Sliver. Had Vin held the power for the same time period she'd be a Sliver too.

Pretty sure when absorbing the Wells power they have around 5 secs to use it or it disappears. 

Vin gave it up prior to time running out. TRL didnt. He used up all the time allocated to use the power changing and fixing Scadrial and its people. Amongst other things he did.

Edited December 25, 2016 by Thanatos

[Confused]

I thought I'd try to return this thread to Blightsong's topic - how Connections and Identity work in the Spiritual Realm. The following discussion comes from a theory I've been working on about Cosmere magic:

The Spiritual Realm uniqueness of any lifeform or object inheres in its SpiritWeb. A SpiritWeb consists of a Soul or Essence (an object’s “soul,” according to Shai) with unique Spiritual DNA and unique Connections.

Connections bind the Cosmere together – not only between Souls and Essences (“External Connections”), but also between the three Realmatic aspects of each Soul or Essence (“Internal Connections”). Example: Kelsier could not return to Scadrial’s Physical Realm because his death severed his Internal Connections to that Realm.

(i) Internal Connections maintain mind-body-Spirit unity. They “vertically” link the Realmatic aspects of each attribute of a lifeform or object. The Feruchemy sections of recent Ars Arcana list many such attributes. Each attribute has an analog in all three Realms.

(ii) External Connections “horizontally” link a Soul or Essence to other Souls or Essences. These Connections can extend between people, between objects, between a person and a planet, a person and other objects, and a person and Investiture.

Brandon’s concept of “Identity” refers to each person’s unique SpiritWeb - their unique Spiritual DNA and their unique grid of Internal and External Connections.

Connections link to different Spiritual “genes” of an entity’s Spiritual DNA. Example: A planet’s Essence includes as Spiritual “genes” each location on that planet. When Allik in BoM uses his medallion, he Connects his Soul to a different “Spiritual gene” of Scadrial’s Essence – a different location on Scadrial. Allik retains his accent because his Soul knows he is of Malwish descent, his own “Spiritual gene.”

Brandon says Connections are not “on/off” switches. They can widen or narrow over time.

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I hope that helps your theorizing, Blightsong.

Edited December 25, 2016 by Confused

[Yata he/him]

On 25/12/2016 at 5:06 AM, Confused said:

Brandon’s concept of “Identity” refers to each person’s unique SpiritWeb - their unique Spiritual DNA and their unique grid of Internal and External Connections.

I agree with all the rest, except this...I don't think this is true, because the Spirit-Web changes over time and the Identity remain almost the same. For example Spiking out something from a Feruchemist allow the reciver to access his Metalmind. But of course the reciver will have a patchwork of his own and the unluckly feruchemist's spirit-web.

Also a Feruchemist's Spirit-Web (sorry to use always Feruchemy, but it's actually the best Identity-in-action's model for now) changes naturally over his own life, connections to new places,time,people, concept (just see Sazed over the Mistborn trilogy) and He is still actually able to access the old Metalmind (One question I wanted to make to Branson is actually an extreme version of this: If a Feruchemist creates a Metalmind in his first years, after many years would be able to tap it when he is really really old ?).

The problem here, there are some counter-intuitive things with Identity, I hope to have a chance to figure them out

Edited December 27, 2016 by Yata

[Confused]

Yata, you make some excellent points. I looked at some WoBs on “Identity” and came up with the ones quoted below. Based on these, I now think Identity means the following:

Identity is the relationship between a person, a Shardworld and Investiture that enables the person to perform magic on that Shardworld. It is primarily a function of a Soul’s Spiritual DNA, but the Soul’s Connections to the Shardworld and its Investiture play a major role.

I first quote some relevant WoBs and then discuss them below to show how I reached my conclusion. (Source. I added all the emphases.)

Q 34:     People born on Scadrial have an Identity tied to it and its magic. Odium would have to do certain things to make them able to use a magic he fuels. He has done these things on Roshar…

Q 43:     If a Feruchemist using an aluminum metalmind stored their identity to zero, then filled a coppermind with all of their knowledge, would another Feruchemist with an identity set to zero be able to access the first Feruchemist's coppermind?

Brandon Sanderson: [Paraphrased] I'm not going to tell you a definite yes or no, this is something that needs to be saved for future books, but you are thinking along the correct lines about how identity works regarding Feruchemists.

Q 47:     Argent: Would a parshman who received multiple breaths, or any other type of investiture, be able to gain sentience or become more like listener – Kind of like mistwraith/kandra?

Brandon Sanderson: That would require some Identity changes and transformations.

Argent: So it’s not just a dump of –

Brandon Sanderson: It’s not just a dump. It’s a biological thing for them, they’ve adapted. So they’ve evolved to the point where this sort of thing – It would be like trying to power DC with AC current or the wrong voltage or something like that…

Q 51:     If you tapped blank Identity in an area, would you develop the area's accent?

Brandon Sanderson: It's part of what you need. You need to both blank your Identity and tap Connection to get the accent.

Footnote: Note: Sanderson interpreted this question as blanking identity. Also, I don't think tapping blank identity is a thing, so it was not a great question.

Q 54:     Could somebody give Breath – could they still get the benefits –

Brandon Sanderson: Oh, good question. Yes you can, actually. Breath, once it is given to you, it is being keyed to you - your Identity. So that transfer makes it yours to use however you want.

Question: So you could Awaken?

Brandon Sanderson: You could Awaken. If you were to somehow make it there, you would be able to Awaken. It’s the easiest of magics to get the magic from, and then to manipulate. Because it has keyed into it Identity.

We also have this from the recent Chicago signing:

Because it’s stuck in the Cognitive Realm rather than the Spiritual Realm (the Spiritual Realm is location-independent; Cognitive Realm is location-dependent), it makes the magic on Sel only work in close proximity to what is keyed through there to the location they’re keyed to. This has to do with Identity and Connection - mostly Connection. Source Q 30.

Discussion:

1. As you say, Yata, Identity IS mostly a function of a person’s Soul, but not entirely. Brandon’s answers in Questions 34, 47 and 54 suggest the Connections between the Shardworld, its inhabitants, and its Investiture are also critical components. These are the components that determine whether a person can perform magic on that Shardworld. Without these Connections, a person must hack the system to perform magic. These components of Identity do not change with time, unlike other attributes.

A species’ Spiritual DNA “evolves” and “adapts” to make these critical Connections and develop Identity. In Question 54, Brandon says that happened with Roshar’s Parshmen. This “magical” evolution resembles earth’s biological evolution – environmental factors lead to genetic changes over time, incorporating Connections into the Soul's Spiritual DNA..

2. Brandon’s answer to Question 51 shows the relationship between Identity and Connection. To Connect with a location’s attributes (in this case accent), a person first has to wipe out their Identity. Brandon’s answer makes this point even if “tapping blank identity is [not] a thing.” Brandon’s answer implies that blanking Identity strips a person of his Connection with place.

His comment on the Dor agrees. The Investiture in Sel’s Cognitive Realm has a one-to-one correspondence with places in its Physical Realm. Yet Brandon views this correspondence as more one of Connection than of Identity. Presumably that’s because a Selian’s Identity already recognizes the Dor as the “keyed” Investiture. The Selian’s relationship with place on Sel is one of birth, “bloodlines” and, hence, Connection.

3. Brandon limited his response in Question 43 to “how identity works regarding Feruchemists.” Feruchemy relies exclusively on Internal Connections to make changes in a person’s attributes. Brandon says the power “source” for Feruchemy is “internal,” unlike Allomancy. He didn’t answer the question, but his response does suggest that Identity for Feruchemists/Ferrings (and by extension other “net neutral” systems based entirely on Internal Connections) may not work the same as Identity in externally based systems.

4. Question 54 shows how Breath conforms itself to the Identity of the Soul it is attached to. Breath is apparently the only self-regulating form of Shard Investiture.

[Djarskublar he/him]

23 hours ago, Confused said:

Yata, you make some excellent points. I looked at some WoBs on “Identity” and came up with the ones quoted below. Based on these, I now think Identity means the following:

 

Identity is the relationship between a person, a Shardworld and Investiture that enables the person to perform magic on that Shardworld. It is primarily a function of a Soul’s Spiritual DNA, but the Soul’s Connections to the Shardworld and its Investiture play a major role.

 

I first quote some relevant WoBs and then discuss them below to show how I reached my conclusion. (Source. I added all the emphases.)

 

Q 34:     People born on Scadrial have an Identity tied to it and its magic. Odium would have to do certain things to make them able to use a magic he fuels. He has done these things on Roshar…

 

Q 43:     If a Feruchemist using an aluminum metalmind stored their identity to zero, then filled a coppermind with all of their knowledge, would another Feruchemist with an identity set to zero be able to access the first Feruchemist's coppermind?

 

Brandon Sanderson: [Paraphrased] I'm not going to tell you a definite yes or no, this is something that needs to be saved for future books, but you are thinking along the correct lines about how identity works regarding Feruchemists.

 

Q 47:     Argent: Would a parshman who received multiple breaths, or any other type of investiture, be able to gain sentience or become more like listener – Kind of like mistwraith/kandra?

 

Brandon Sanderson: That would require some Identity changes and transformations.

 

Argent: So it’s not just a dump of –

 

Brandon Sanderson: It’s not just a dump. It’s a biological thing for them, they’ve adapted. So they’ve evolved to the point where this sort of thing – It would be like trying to power DC with AC current or the wrong voltage or something like that…

 

Q 51:     If you tapped blank Identity in an area, would you develop the area's accent?

 

Brandon Sanderson: It's part of what you need. You need to both blank your Identity and tap Connection to get the accent.

 

Footnote: Note: Sanderson interpreted this question as blanking identity. Also, I don't think tapping blank identity is a thing, so it was not a great question.

 

Q 54:     Could somebody give Breath – could they still get the benefits –

 

Brandon Sanderson: Oh, good question. Yes you can, actually. Breath, once it is given to you, it is being keyed to you - your Identity. So that transfer makes it yours to use however you want.

 

Question: So you could Awaken?

 

Brandon Sanderson: You could Awaken. If you were to somehow make it there, you would be able to Awaken. It’s the easiest of magics to get the magic from, and then to manipulate. Because it has keyed into it Identity.

 

We also have this from the recent Chicago signing:

 

Because it’s stuck in the Cognitive Realm rather than the Spiritual Realm (the Spiritual Realm is location-independent; Cognitive Realm is location-dependent), it makes the magic on Sel only work in close proximity to what is keyed through there to the location they’re keyed to. This has to do with Identity and Connection - mostly Connection. Source Q 30.

 

Discussion:

 

1. As you say, Yata, Identity IS mostly a function of a person’s Soul, but not entirely. Brandon’s answers in Questions 34, 47 and 54 suggest the Connections between the Shardworld, its inhabitants, and its Investiture are also critical components. These are the components that determine whether a person can perform magic on that Shardworld. Without these Connections, a person must hack the system to perform magic. These components of Identity do not change with time, unlike other attributes.

 

A species’ Spiritual DNA “evolves” and “adapts” to make these critical Connections and develop Identity. In Question 54, Brandon says that happened with Roshar’s Parshmen. This “magical” evolution resembles earth’s biological evolution – environmental factors lead to genetic changes over time, incorporating Connections into the Soul's Spiritual DNA..

 

2. Brandon’s answer to Question 51 shows the relationship between Identity and Connection. To Connect with a location’s attributes (in this case accent), a person first has to wipe out their Identity. Brandon’s answer makes this point even if “tapping blank identity is [not] a thing.” Brandon’s answer implies that blanking Identity strips a person of his Connection with place.

 

His comment on the Dor agrees. The Investiture in Sel’s Cognitive Realm has a one-to-one correspondence with places in its Physical Realm. Yet Brandon views this correspondence as more one of Connection than of Identity. Presumably that’s because a Selian’s Identity already recognizes the Dor as the “keyed” Investiture. The Selian’s relationship with place on Sel is one of birth, “bloodlines” and, hence, Connection.

 

3. Brandon limited his response in Question 43 to “how identity works regarding Feruchemists.” Feruchemy relies exclusively on Internal Connections to make changes in a person’s attributes. Brandon says the power “source” for Feruchemy is “internal,” unlike Allomancy. He didn’t answer the question, but his response does suggest that Identity for Feruchemists/Ferrings (and by extension other “net neutral” systems based entirely on Internal Connections) may not work the same as Identity in externally based systems.

 

4. Question 54 shows how Breath conforms itself to the Identity of the Soul it is attached to. Breath is apparently the only self-regulating form of Shard Investiture.

 

You have made a solid post here, but there are a couple things you have misread.

1. This is fairly good. I would say it is off, but it would require lengthy posting to point out minor differences in my opinion, so I will leave it be.

2. You have misread this. Brandon is saying you have to both remove your Identity and tap some Connection. He absolutely does not imply removing your Identity changes your Connections. It likely does, but not in the ways you seem to think, and only minorly.

3. I have asked similar questions about breath, and he basically dodged the question and said that blanking the donator of a power's Identity is frequently enough to facilitate transfer, and blanking both donator and recipient almost always allows for transfer of various powers.

4. I would disagree with this as well. Spren self regulate very heavily. Citing is difficult on mobile, but the basic idea is that spren are picky and vary their pickyness wildly from type to type and possible from individual to individual.

 

For my own thoughts on Identity, I would like to present a metaphor on serial numbers. Each person has a serial number that describes who they are. This number is large and acts like DNA. It describes some information about the person regarding who they are personality wise, some of their key Connections to various things, and a core, usually immutable, piece that just identifies them separate of other people.

You can only access metalminds of other people if your Identity numbers match close enough to the numbers stamped on the metalmind, or more specifically, that they aren't too different. Blanking your Identity, then, is like scratching out the serial number of your soul. With fewer numbers to compare, there are fewer differences. This makes the metalmind (or other ability) accessible. Some differences are necessary to allow the attributes stored by a child tappable by their adult self.

[Confused]

1 hour ago, Djarskublar said:

2. You have misread this. Brandon is saying you have to both remove your Identity and tap some Connection. He absolutely does not imply removing your Identity changes your Connections. It likely does, but not in the ways you seem to think, and only minorly.

Speaking of misreading…I did NOT say “removing your Identity changes your Connections.” I said that to be able to change your Connections to a place, you must FIRST blank your Identity. Blanking your Identity strips you of your pre-existing Connections to a place (the implication I read into Brandon’s statement). Once that is done, you must still “program” your blank Identity by “tapping” the new Connection to a different place.

1 hour ago, Djarskublar said:

3. I have asked similar questions about breath, and he basically dodged the question and said that blanking the donator of a power's Identity is frequently enough to facilitate transfer, and blanking both donator and recipient almost always allows for transfer of various powers.

FYI, the word is "donor," not "donator."

1 hour ago, Djarskublar said:

4. I would disagree with this as well. Spren self regulate very heavily. Citing is difficult on mobile, but the basic idea is that spren are picky and vary their pickyness wildly from type to type and possible from individual to individual.

Yes, that’s true of Spren – and completely beside the point. Breath is the only “self-regulating” Investiture when it comes to Identity. Brandon says Breath can be transferred to anyone – and used by them – regardless of where they come from because Breath will conform to that person’s Identity. I believe that is unique among Investitures.

1 hour ago, Djarskublar said:

For my own thoughts on Identity, I would like to present a metaphor on serial numbers. Each person has a serial number that describes who they are. This number is large and acts like DNA. It describes some information about the person regarding who they are personality wise, some of their key Connections to various things, and a core, usually immutable, piece that just identifies them separate of other people.

You can only access metalminds of other people if your Identity numbers match close enough to the numbers stamped on the metalmind, or more specifically, that they aren't too different. Blanking your Identity, then, is like scratching out the serial number of your soul. With fewer numbers to compare, there are fewer differences. This makes the metalmind (or other ability) accessible. Some differences are necessary to allow the attributes stored by a child tappable by their adult self.

Please look at my first post, just above Yata’s. I originally thought like you – that Identity represents each person’s unique SpiritWeb – a “serial number of your soul” as you say. Yata had some good objections to that idea. My second post – the one you’re responding to – presented a changed idea. I think Identity is what makes a person capable of doing magic on his or her home Shardworld. It is not the totality of what makes them unique. Identity is the critical element in “hacking” magic systems. It would be much harder to do so if you had to hide or change everything that makes you “you.”

Anyway, just some thoughts. Feel free to disagree. Just make sure you’re disagreeing to something I actually wrote.

Regards!

Edited December 27, 2016 by Confused

[Yata he/him]

11 hours ago, Confused said:

Speaking of misreading…I did NOT say “removing your Identity changes your Connections.” I said that to be able to change your Connections to a place, you must FIRST blank your Identity. Blanking your Identity strips you of your pre-existing Connections to a place (the implication I read into Brandon’s statement). Once that is done, you must still “program” your blank Identity by “tapping” the new Connection to a different place.

I think this is completely wrong, we also proofs in-book of it.

The Southern didn't need of store their Identity to change connection to the places...As you may see with their Medallion, no Medallion showed has F-Alluminium (and if a Theory is true, it's impossible to craft a Medallion that gifts F-Alluminium).

PS: I want to add that to me the Indentity is still a Serial Number spread among all your Soul, some part of its working is unclear but I think it's a more functional explaination to almost its functions.

Edited December 28, 2016 by Yata

[Master_Moridin he/him]

I might be completely remembering something that doesn't exist, but wasn't there a recent WoB that talked about how breaking a Sand Masters sand stream with a hand was due to investiture interference?  Cause I also remember that quote making mention that this was related to Identity.

So long as that quote actually does exist somewhere, then it seems likely the Identity of a person is "encoded" in their innate Investiture, not in their Connections.

[Yata he/him]

55 minutes ago, Master_Moridin said:

I might be completely remembering something that doesn't exist, but wasn't there a recent WoB that talked about how breaking a Sand Masters sand stream with a hand was due to investiture interference?  Cause I also remember that quote making mention that this was related to Identity.

So long as that quote actually does exist somewhere, then it seems likely the Identity of a person is "encoded" in their innate Investiture, not in their Connections.

Previous page, tenth post ;-)

[Master_Moridin he/him]

20 hours ago, Yata said:

Previous page, tenth post ;-)

Ah, thank you.