Random Stuff X: Something Weird

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

16 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

Could somebody ban @Darkness Ascendant, delete all his posts and erase any mention of him and any quotations of him? Thanks.

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There are a little over 100 gas street lights. The lantern-lighter goes around the Old Town every evening to light them and every morning to put them out. Some people don't even know the city has a lantern-lighter.
I've seen him like two or three times, it was cool

But nothing is cooler than the Old Town by night, lighted all up. On a warm summer night.

Pfft. You have two options....I honestly really enjoy the thought experiment itself, it's fascinating

Yeah that sounds really awesome  

[Oversleep]

Rocco's basilisk is between unnerving and terrifying to the bone, depending on your knowledge about AI, transhuman ideas and philosophy.

It's fine if you can disregard it as silly; but if you're into things I mentioned... then your life turns into a horror game where nothing happens but you keep playing and still nothing happens and eventuallly the ever-growing-suspension makes you die of heart attack.

I personally consider Rocco's basilisk silly.

...

but I think it has gotten to me a little... because when I wrote it off as silly I felt uneasy. I think I could use some mind bleach.

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Just now, Oversleep said:

Rocco's basilisk is between unnerving and terrifying to the bone, depending on your knowledge about AI, transhuman ideas and philosophy.

It's fine if you can disregard it as silly; but if you're into things I mentioned... then your life turns into a horror game where nothing happens but you keep playing and still nothing happens and eventuallly the ever-growing-suspension makes you die of heart attack.

I personally consider Rocco's basilisk silly.

...

but I think it has gotten to me a little... because when I wrote it off as silly I felt uneasy. I think I could use some mind bleach.

Mhm. You should read Gavin Smith: A Quantum Mythology. 

Yeah it's fine if you regard it lightly, but the entire concept did fill me with this horror and dread as I learnt about it. And like...I read too much creepypasta as well >> So my thoughts are already messed XD

I think it's an amusing concept which is fun to spring on your friends. 'course there will always be that nagging suspicion, but most thoughts about irrelevant things end up being driven from my mind due to the fact I'm focused on surviving each day XD

*passes neuralyzer

[Oversleep]

1 minute ago, Darkness Ascendant said:

I think it's an amusing concept which is fun to spring on your friends.

What did your friends do to deserve that?

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

4 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

What did your friends do to deserve that?

Also led to a very interesting discussion on a discord server where I explained it to the SE lads and watched as they went through the 5 stages of grief.

Edited April 25, 2017 by Darkness Ascendant

[Oversleep]

Just now, Darkness Ascendant said:

Fair enough.

XKCD helps with the Rocco's basilisk. It also contains simple explanation of what is it and there's antidote included: http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1450

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

3 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

Fair enough.

XKCD helps with the Rocco's basilisk. It also contains simple explanation of what is it and there's antidote included: http://www.explainxkcd.com/wiki/index.php/1450

ooh nice . But I enjoy going through the whole process of explaining a newcombian paradox and all XD

[Oversleep]

Talking to Cthaeh = learning what Rocco's basilisk is.

Basically. Except talking to Cthaeh ruins everything while Rocco's basilisk condemns you to eternal torture.

Edited April 25, 2017 by Oversleep

[Delightful]

2 hours ago, Oversleep said:

Rocco's basilisk is between unnerving and terrifying to the bone, depending on your knowledge about AI, transhuman ideas and philosophy.

It's fine if you can disregard it as silly; but if you're into things I mentioned... then your life turns into a horror game where nothing happens but you keep playing and still nothing happens and eventuallly the ever-growing-suspension makes you die of heart attack.

I personally consider Rocco's basilisk silly.

...

but I think it has gotten to me a little... because when I wrote it off as silly I felt uneasy. I think I could use some mind bleach.

So if i'm understanding this correctly.....vengeful future super intelligent AI will create a kind of copy of your mind and punish said copy because you didn't help create the super-intelligence? Except you'll be dead so it won't actually have any effect?

[Oversleep]

21 minutes ago, Delightfully Smoak said:

So if i'm understanding this correctly.....vengeful future super intelligent AI will create a kind of copy of your mind and punish said copy because you didn't help create the super-intelligence? Except you'll be dead so it won't actually have any effect?

Not quite. This should help: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html

The whole thing includes some mind-screwy things with predictions and paradoxes and stuff, so be warned.

I don't claim to fully understand it, but it's the concept of blackmailing you with torturing your exact copy and/or you from parallel universe. If you do not help bring RB about, it will torture those yourselves.

Or maybe this should help.

Edited April 25, 2017 by Oversleep

[The Sovereign]

11 hours ago, TwiLyghtSansSparkles said:

You get to live in a partial steampunk novel?  

Lantern-lighter, usually. Or just "guy who lights the lanterns."  

I've always heard "Lamplighter" which is essentially the same thing.

[Delightful]

19 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

Not quite. This should help: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html

The whole thing includes some mind-screwy things with predictions and paradoxes and stuff, so be warned.

I don't claim to fully understand it, but it's the concept of blackmailing you with torturing your exact copy and/or you from parallel universe. If you do not help bring RB about, it will torture those yourselves.

Or maybe this should help.

Huh. Thats fascinating. I mean I'm pretty sure I'm not living in a simulacrum of the universe, and I do believe in G-d who is definitely not a supercomputer so I don't think I'm in danger.....

I'm a little amused by rich smart tech people terrifying themselves with this though.....

[Oversleep]

4 minutes ago, Delightfully Smoak said:

I mean I'm pretty sure I'm not living in a simulacrum of the universe, and I do believe in G-d who is definitely not a supercomputer so I don't think I'm in danger.....

The thing is, we can't tell if all of this isn't a simulation of the original universe where God may or may not exist. Our faith has nothing to do with it as if this is the simulation, then Rocco has ultimate power.

Anyway, you'd have to dig at Timeless Decision Theory to get a good grip what's all that is about. I'm not educated enough in game theory so I prefer to leave it as it is

The terrifying thing is not Rocco itself; but the idea of Rocco. If you subscribe to Timeless Decision Theory as those people do, then the idea of Rocco is what's terrifying. Not Rocco's basilisk itself.

Edited April 25, 2017 by Oversleep

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

26 minutes ago, Oversleep said:

Not quite. This should help: http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2014/07/roko_s_basilisk_the_most_terrifying_thought_experiment_of_all_time.html

The whole thing includes some mind-screwy things with predictions and paradoxes and stuff, so be warned.

I don't claim to fully understand it, but it's the concept of blackmailing you with torturing your exact copy and/or you from parallel universe. If you do not help bring RB about, it will torture those yourselves.

I....didn't find this to be all that scary. At all.  

[Delightful]

1 minute ago, Oversleep said:

The thing is, we can't tell if all of this isn't a simulation of the original universe where God may or may not exist. Our faith has nothing to do with it as if this is the simulation, then Rocco has ultimate power.

Anyway, you'd have to dig at Timeless Decision Theory to get a good grip what's all that is about. I'm not educated enough in game theory so I prefer to leave it as it is

If G-D is omnipresent and omnipotent and omnieverything, then G-D still exists inside Rocco's Basilisk alternate universe, because G-D is above and beyond anything that we can understand. 

 

(Also, why Basilisk?)

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

Random inquisitor I drew!

not sure where it came from

[Oversleep]

@TwiLyghtSansSparkles, @Delightfully Smoak see my edit to my previous post.

4 minutes ago, Delightfully Smoak said:

If G-D is omnipresent and omnipotent and omnieverything, then G-D still exists inside Rocco's Basilisk alternate universe, because G-D is above and beyond anything that we can understand. 

Is God the effective ultimate power in the game I made or I am? Now, I believe in God so that has an effect or me but God gave free will, so people can act even against Him. Then, also Rocco's basilisk can be not constrained by morality and simulate an universe which only looks like there is God.

Enough of this. My brain is trying to boil.

Edited April 25, 2017 by Oversleep

[Darkness Ascendant he/him]

You guy's gotta read up on your LessWrong Lore.

Then you'll see the whole story.

Edited April 25, 2017 by Darkness Ascendant

[TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her]

1 minute ago, Oversleep said:

@TwiLyghtSansSparkles, @Delightfully Smoak see my edit to my previous post.

Is God  the effective ultimate power in the game I made or I am?

Sure, but that makes me think that articles like the one you linked may actually prevent a Basilisk. Let the knowledge of it guide you to the people who subscribe to that kind of fatalism, and prevent them from being involved with AI projects. Ta-da. 

[Oversleep]

Now, for all the people who are fed up of Evil Machine Overlords torturing everyone who caught the mind virus: Wait But Why on human brains, Elon Musk, and technology: http://waitbutwhy.com/2017/04/neuralink.html

[Orlion Blight he/him]

1 hour ago, Oversleep said:

Now, for all the people who are fed up of Evil Machine Overlords torturing everyone who caught the mind virus: Wait But Why on human brains, Elon Musk, and technology: http://waitbutwhy.com/2017/04/neuralink.html

My rebuttal:  https://aeon.co/essays/your-brain-does-not-process-information-and-it-is-not-a-computer

[Zennix he/him]

2 hours ago, Darkness Ascendant said:

Random inquisitor I drew!

not sure where it came from

Is that a keyhole on his forehead? 

[Nashan’Elin he/him]

Just now, Zennix said:

Is that a keyhole on his forehead? 

It looks like the Double Eye of the Almighty to me

[Zennix he/him]

26 minutes ago, Nashan'Elin said:

It looks like the Double Eye of the Almighty to me

Why would a Steel Inquisitor have the Double Eye of the Almighty tattooed on his forehead? 

Or, is he some kind of Cosmere Religious Freedom Activist? 

[Kaymyth she/her]

Guys.

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JordanCon was amazing.

And next year is the 10th anniversary! Brandon will be back! I will be on panels!

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