Long Game 29: A Mote in Adonalsium's Eye

[Droughtbringer]

2 minutes ago, Arinian said:

Ahh... nothing just little bit frustrated by so low activity.

Oh I'm sorry...if I put a vote on you and became active that way would it help?

[Arinian]

Just now, DroughtBringer said:

Oh I'm sorry...if I put a vote on you and became active that way would it help?

Yeah. Little bit.

[Elenion he/him]

I'm with Arinian in saying that the inactivity rate in the game is high. It's very high.

 Seonid, can you nuke the inactives? Not the lurkers, just the Zephrer type.

 

I'm concerned with the Odium kill, but in a different way than most. I'm wondering how a player of Bard's contribution level lands a protection by Honor. (I say Honor because no Shard was shattered). I smell a rat.

[Droughtbringer]

Arinian

 Crackpot theory time: Arinian has been sitting here, secretly being Hoid. He has been wanting players to be more active so that he has more targets to convert to his cause, plus, because of the inactivity filter, any inactive sharders that are converted can't actually help except with the win condition, but can't take any actions. The other problem is that as the game progresses it becomes harder and harder to keep track of any shards for him to take and increase his power with. 

 

[Aonar he/him]

2 minutes ago, Elenion said:

I'm with Arinian in saying that the inactivity rate in the game is high. It's very high.

 Seonid, can you nuke the inactives? Not the lurkers, just the Zephrer type.

 

I'm concerned with the Odium kill, but in a different way than most. I'm wondering how a player of Bard's contribution level lands a protection by Honor. (I say Honor because no Shard was shattered). I smell a rat.

Hello Odium. >> Nice to meet you. I did wonder if Lopen might have been a little vindictive in how he passed Odium, but even though I assumed you were a Shard, I thought Cultivation fit better...

Give me a bit to get my thoughts in order and I'll post something more substantial.

[Elenion he/him]

Whatever your logic is for thinking that, it's very wrong indeed.

[Alvron]

@Sart Any word from beyond the grave?  They must have learnt something by now.

[Aonar he/him]

Just now, Elenion said:

Whatever your logic is for thinking that, it's very wrong indeed.

You immediately assumed Bard had a Shard, even though our latest incarnation of Odium has attacked players (well, a player) they aren't sure are Shards, and that he must have been protected by Honour, because said Shard did not Shatter. This leads me to believe that you made this conclusion (which is by no means the only valid interpretation of the night's events) because you know it's true, in which case you attempted to Invest Bard and failed.

Assuming you are Odium, I'm not going to start a witch hunt on you like you did with Lopen, but I'd rather you were transparent about it.

[Elenion he/him]

Lopen is a very vindictive player indeed, but he didn't pass it to me. By a stroke of irony, I got it.

[Assassin in Burgundy he/him]

16 minutes ago, Elenion said:

Lopen is a very vindictive player indeed, but he didn't pass it to me. By a stroke of irony, I got it.

So you have Odium? Flat-up telling us that?

[Arinian]

23 minutes ago, Elenion said:

Lopen is a very vindictive player indeed, but he didn't pass it to me. By a stroke of irony, I got it.

Give it to me 

[Sart he/him]

Well, time to take that out of your hands. Elenion, we can't have Odium running around killing more people.

[Dalinar Kholin]

Hey....cultivation? Would you mind un-shattering a shard for a friendly denizen of the cosmere?

[Assassin in Burgundy he/him]

6 minutes ago, Sart said:

Well, time to take that out of your hands. Elenion, we can't have Odium running around killing more people.

Won't it just go to the person he last invested in?

[Elenion he/him]

Hold on just a minute. Now you all know that I wouldn't tell the truth about such a thing unless I had a very good reason to. My reason is is that I've confirmed that Bard is Hoid. My investment on him failed, meaning that he's either a Shard or Hoid, and my attack on him failed. If my attack on him had been blocked by anything other than Honor, and Bard was a Shard, he would have been Shattered. So I know that Bard either had a passive protect on him from Honor (which would only happen if he was Hoid), or had a normal protect (e.g. Knight Radiant) but was Hoid.

Basically, I've served Hoid up on a silver platter. All you need to do is lynch him. As you do so, I'll pass my Shard off, giving you no more reason to lynch me. Hoid dies, I live, everyone's happy.

Bard

 

[Aonar he/him]

Just now, Assassin in Burgundy said:

Won't it just go to the person he last invested in?

Who would be Bard. Who might well be evil. So probably not a good idea.

[Arinian]

3 minutes ago, Elenion said:

Hold on just a minute. Now you all know that I wouldn't tell the truth about such a thing unless I had a very good reason to. My reason is is that I've confirmed that Bard is Hoid. My investment on him failed, meaning that he's either a Shard or Hoid, and my attack on him failed. If my attack on him had been blocked by anything other than Honor, and Bard was a Shard, he would have been Shattered. So I know that Bard either had a passive protect on him from Honor (which would only happen if he was Hoid), or had a normal protect (e.g. Knight Radiant) but was Hoid.

Basically, I've served Hoid up on a silver platter. All you need to do is lynch him. As you do so, I'll pass my Shard off, giving you no more reason to lynch me. Hoid dies, I live, everyone's happy.

Bard

 

Hmm... wait but if you randomly get Odium(not his Champion)  your win condition shouldn't change on Odium's? Or what? I'm something missed in rules?(again ?)

[Dalinar Kholin]

After Odium is originally killed he loses the Odium seperate win con and becomes a part of the village. Correct?

[Elenion he/him]

Just now, Arinian said:

Hmm... wait but if you randomly get Odium(not his Champion)  your win condition shouldn't change on Odium's? Or what? I'm something missed in rules?(again ?)

Just now, Dalinar Kholin said:

After Odium is originally killed he loses the Odium seperate win con and becomes a part of the village. Correct?

I'm a village Odium, yes, but still Odium. Basically, I still kill players, but specifically I was looking for Hoid. I found him. I need to pass my Shard after this mess because we can't have a 17th Dominion taking control of me.

[Dalinar Kholin]

Just now, Elenion said:

I'm a village Odium, yes, but still Odium. Basically, I still kill players, but specifically I was looking for Hoid. I found him. I need to pass my Shard after this mess because we can't have a 17th Dominion taking control of me.

Agreed. I'm willing to support this. Best case scenario we kill Hoid. Bard. I'm going to look through the details later and double check I'm not being snookered later, but thats where my vote will lie for now.

[Arinian]

Len I'm just don't belive you. Bard 

Edited January 8, 2017 by Arinian

[Assassin in Burgundy he/him]

I'll trust you, Len. Bard. 

[Arinian]

But you know I think I should change my mind... even if you(Len) part of 17th Shard and that some trick. I shouldn't be threat to you so especially because you have Odium . Bard 

[Alvron]

Another Bandwagon?  And started by the Bandwagon master himself no less.  Oh well.  If Bard is Hoid then great.  If not, then I guess Len is next to die.

Say Len, you wouldn't mind passing Odium to me would you?  I would love to get my hands on another Odium Shard.  After the game is fine should you still have it by then.  Same thing goes for whoever ends the game with Odium if they get their hands on it.

[Young Bard he/him]

Elenion.

I don't know where this is coming from - the real Hoid, I suspect - but it won't work. Shame on you, trying to get the village to do it’s dirty work for you. We both know I can’t be Hoid, and I don’t know why you’re pretending I am.

Part of me wonders why you choose me, of all people, to try and get lynched. My activity is probably part of it - active enough to send in orders, be a nuisance, but not so active that anyone will have a village read on me and want to object to my lynch. What I don’t get is what you get out of it - the game won’t end so quickly that they won’t lynch you, and that puts your team and mine back in equal positions...

You know what? Village, here are your choices: I was converted by Autonomy. You can side with the group that can maybe, possibly win with you, or side with the eliminators, who you can’t win with. Your choice...