Question 20

[Majestic he/him]

2 minutes ago, winter devotion said:

Sure, but it won't do much. Might end up redirecting it filled with death electricity somewhere else. Like. Back at you. 

Can you redirect a tsunami that dissipates once it's reached its target?

Besides, a big enough tornado can stop a redirected tsunami, I'm pretty sure.

[Majestic he/him]

5 minutes ago, winter devotion said:

If there's a giant wall of tree that slopes it towards Adelaide, then I'm guessing it'll work

Ivystorm can be a tad bit single minded at times.  

Shame I'm not planning for an Epic called 'Forestfire' that can literally just burn the trees in a matter of minutes.

Wait.

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

32 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Haha

 

For those in the Wastelands, could one of you possibly let me send a death-bearing tsunami upon your humble city?

@Hemalurgic_Headshot This could be a way to help Sandstorm escape

Err... Coober Pedy is inland, over a hundred miles from the coast. And what's more, Haven is underground. I don't think that will allow Sandstorm to get out in any way.

[Majestic he/him]

6 minutes ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

Err... Coober Pedy is inland, over a hundred miles from the coast. And what's more, Haven is underground. I don't think that will allow Sandstorm to get out in any way.

Ummm...

Shhhh

[Edgedancer he/him]

18 hours ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

@Majestic... a quick question. How does Nature know about Sandstorm? That event was three months after Calamity, and IIRC, the current events of the RP are two-three years post-Calamity. Those would be some pretty old rumors, and Sandstorm hasn't been released yet.

Talking about timelines, Epics didn't really become a thing until one year after Calamity. And even then, High Epics taking over and making society collapse would probably take a bit as well.

12 hours ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

But Covenant is Asian. From Singapore, to be precise.

Could he also have minor Gifting abilities for his Lawkeepers? I'm not sure how far I can push the limit.

Well, that call would probably be easier to make if we had an idea just what capabilities the of the city is. *hint hint short profiles* .ph34r:

[Majestic he/him]

10 hours ago, winter devotion said:

She's fought fire Epics before.

She also has a weather Epic who can help bring a storm to douse the fire. And a large community of enhanced knights with fire fighting capabilities. 

I thought you were gonna send me a tsunami in that post? I can write it into mine.

 

edit: @Voidus Would an Adelaide immortal survive being decapitated and having their head brought very far away from their body? Would the immortal A. Grow a new head B. Grow a new body C. Survive as the parts were separated D. Not be able to be taken apart in the first place, even if it was Epic powered plants that were able to... uh, I'll keep the description from being too graphic, but they would definitely be strong enough to decapitate someone. Would taking an immortal apart into a hundred pieces and keeping them all very far apart from each other keep them from being able to do anything effective?

 

Sorry for the gory questions but Pain and Ivystorm are...Creative.

 

edit 2: And also to add on, what would happen to the immortal if hypothetically its brain was separated from its skull and its skull was used as a goblet for Ivystorm to drink from?

Jeesh. And then Ivystorm died. A lot. Because I'm seriously getting creeps from this upd8. 

Looks like you win...

If you want I can write the tsunami in 2-3 posts time.

I am allowed to have an Epic called Boost, right?

(He's like Upgrade just a bit weaker)

Edited August 3, 2017 by Majestic

[Blackhoof]

 

On 31/07/2017 at 4:13 AM, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

So no one has taken Coober Pedy, and from the destruction that is scourging the Overlands, my underground Eden is perfect! We can pretend nothing happened to civilization above, even though everyone knows. Just peace and harmony under Supreme Protector Covenant, and his lawkeepers.

Covenant:

Primary Power: Covenant can create laws over land he has control over. Once the law is established, he gains power every time anyone breaks the law and keeps the power until the adequate punishment has been given. The power increases with the severity of the crime. Granted power in order of severity: Extreme strength, Super reflexes, invulnerability, enhanced speed, flight, energy beams.

Secondary Power: He can detect the precise location of any criminal within his control.

Passive: Above average persuasive abilities.

Note that the lawkeepers I mentioned are just special police.

---

This is allowed, right?

 

Uh, he seems very powerful. Frankly I'm against him. Especially since he can game it very easily- "I now declare breathing illegal in my realm! Oh no, don't stop it, I WANT YOU to break my laws. Now I can track every living thing in my domain and since I have 5000 criminals nearby I am as strong as steelheart!"

So he has no incentive to actually catch, punish, or discourage criminals in literally any way. It would be like a cop who gets a bonus for every criminal they DON'T catch.

I do see you have already made a few posts with him- my apologies for not responding sooner. 

I don't know specifically what you could replace his powers with- and I am sorry about potentially making you retcon anything. I just think he is too powerful and gamey. 

Perhaps he just has basic strength, reflexes, and energy beams, which he can gift? And his obsession with law is just a character trait unconnected to his powers?

Maybe he can sense when someone is killed or severely injured, and identify the perpetrator? That way he can still sense most criminals, and Epics when they Rend or use their powers to kill?

You'd just need to retcon some dialogue and such, which isn't too difficult.

 

5 hours ago, Edgedancer said:

Talking about timelines, Epics didn't really become a thing until one year after Calamity. And even then, High Epics taking over and making society collapse would probably take a bit as well.

Well, that call would probably be easier to make if we had an idea just what capabilities the of the city is. *hint hint short profiles* .ph34r:

Yeah i'll echo this. I believe Wastelands is set three years after Calamity and two years after Epics started appearing. For instance, it was 15 months ago that Tribourne was conquered and unified by the Triumvirate, and chaos had reigned for the previous 8 months that Epics had run rampant and started appearing. @Hemalurgic_Headshot @Majestic

Edited August 3, 2017 by Blackhoof

[Edgedancer he/him]

32 minutes ago, Blackhoof said:

 

 

Uh, he seems very powerful. Frankly I'm against him. Especially since he can game it very easily- "I now declare breathing illegal in my realm! Oh no, don't stop it, I WANT YOU to break my laws. Now I can track every living thing in my domain and since I have 5000 criminals nearby I am as strong as steelheart!"

So he has no incentive to actually catch, punish, or discourage criminals in literally any way. It would be like a cop who gets a bonus for every criminal they DON'T catch.

I do see you have already made a few posts with him- my apologies for not responding sooner. 

I don't know specifically what you could replace his powers with- and I am sorry about potentially making you retcon anything. I just think he is too powerful and gamey. 

Perhaps he just has basic strength, reflexes, and energy beams, which he can gift? And his obsession with law is just a character trait unconnected to his powers?

 

Similairly, there's the problem that until he conquered a territory he'd be near powerless. So he'd have to come into power without power. Unless this power conviniently fell into the lap of a high ranking offical.

I also apologize this didn’t come earlier. I apparently missed that you made some power profiles.

[Blackhoof]

Then there is the fact that "conquered territory" is a bit vague. What IS sovereignty? Does he have power over patches of land that is populated by people who reject his authority? Does another Epic being able to fight him off in a section of land mean he loses control of it? How long until he "owns" a bit of territory?

The whole thing is a bit iffy- I'd say just let him sense deaths and murderers within a few kilometres, and have some basic superpowers. His power and persona come from his character as an Epic-fascist and control-freak and his followers.

[Majestic he/him]

@winter devotion Chase's powers are awesome.

34 minutes ago, Blackhoof said:

Uh, he seems very powerful. Frankly I'm against him. Especially since he can game it very easily- "I now declare breathing illegal in my realm! Oh no, don't stop it, I WANT YOU to break my laws. Now I can track every living thing in my domain and since I have 5000 criminals nearby I am as strong as steelheart!"

Or he could, you know, only have the powers for a certain amount of time. Or there could be an Epic that disallows that. Or he can only set laws that are seen as plausible by the rest of the city. Just some of my ideas. Maybe he has an impulse to kill the criminal, and who would rule a city with no subjects?

[Blackhoof]

15 minutes ago, Majestic said:

@winter devotion Chase's powers are awesome.

Or he could, you know, only have the powers for a certain amount of time. Or there could be an Epic that disallows that. Or he can only set laws that are seen as plausible by the rest of the city. Just some of my ideas. Maybe he has an impulse to kill the criminal, and who would rule a city with no subjects?

Yeah but all that seems very complicated and contrived.

I guess I've grown to dislike powersets like this- they aren't really Comic-Book powers, you know? I can't see many of these showing up in the Reckonerverse. The powers there are mostly streightforward- shoots lasers, inulnerable, can control salt, etc.

[Majestic he/him]

2 minutes ago, Blackhoof said:

Yeah but all that seems very complicated and contrived.

I guess I've grown to dislike powersets like this- they aren't really Comic-Book powers, you know? I can't see many of these showing up in the Reckonerverse. The powers there are mostly streightforward- shoots lasers, inulnerable, can control salt, etc.

Yeah, point.

By the way, what day of the week is day 9? Was day 1 Monday?

[Blackhoof]

I don't remember, actually.

[Voidus]

15 hours ago, winter devotion said:

She's fought fire Epics before.

She also has a weather Epic who can help bring a storm to douse the fire. And a large community of enhanced knights with fire fighting capabilities. 

I thought you were gonna send me a tsunami in that post? I can write it into mine.

 

edit: @Voidus Would an Adelaide immortal survive being decapitated and having their head brought very far away from their body? Would the immortal A. Grow a new head B. Grow a new body C. Survive as the parts were separated D. Not be able to be taken apart in the first place, even if it was Epic powered plants that were able to... uh, I'll keep the description from being too graphic, but they would definitely be strong enough to decapitate someone. Would taking an immortal apart into a hundred pieces and keeping them all very far apart from each other keep them from being able to do anything effective?

 

Sorry for the gory questions but Pain and Ivystorm are...Creative.

 

edit 2: And also to add on, what would happen to the immortal if hypothetically its brain was separated from its skull and its skull was used as a goblet for Ivystorm to drink from?

Jeesh. And then Ivystorm died. A lot. Because I'm seriously getting creeps from this upd8. 

Decapitation would kill most of them, it's not significantly more difficult to decapitate them than anyone else as long as it's quick, other than the difficulty of catching one in the first place.
But for those who are granted significantly stronger healing (Which is none at the moment, and rarely happens as it weakens Necropathy's own healing factor to dangerous levels) the head is the core so they'd regrow the body from the head / survive even if a new body couldn't be grown.
If split into a bunch of pieces then one piece of brain would regrow the rest of the body.
As a consequence of the above if their skull was removed they'd grow a new one.

If the wounded part of their body is still attached to them then it'll re heal, if it's separated then they grow a new one, in contrast to Bioterror who just reassembles from his parts.

5 hours ago, Majestic said:

Looks like you win...

If you want I can write the tsunami in 2-3 posts time.

I am allowed to have an Epic called Boost, right?

(He's like Upgrade just a bit weaker)

I'm very cautious of meta-Epics. I'd suggest at the least to just write other characters for now, and see if a meta can be fit in somewhere at a later date. Remember that the point should be to create interesting stories and characters, not the most powerful city ever, that should be the goal of the character, not the writer. (I find a sadistic joy in denying my characters their goals)

29 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Yeah, point.

By the way, what day of the week is day 9? Was day 1 Monday?

I couldn't find anything that mentioned the day so far so I'm going to say day 0 was sunday, day 1 monday.

We can retcon later if anyone has mentioned it at some point out.

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

Okay, I see the issues with my Epic. Let me modify a few things.

@Blackhoof, that sounds good, to leave it as the ability to detect harm dealt within a certain radius. 5km? 10km? and be able to track the individual that caused the harm.

I came up with this character as some sort of personified justice? Thus I tailored his abilities to become anti-criminal. That's why his powers increased as crime increased, but he'd have an overwhelming urge to go deliver justice to all of them, which usually meant killing them all. However, as a person, he hated killing people, and hated himself for doing it, so his Lawkeepers can do it for him and satisfy the law without the need for a bloodbath.

I see all the problems with this.

So yes, new ability layout:

Covenant:

Primary ability: Can detect physical harm dealt to another person within five kilometers of himself, and can track the perpetrator of the harm within ten kilometers.

Secondary ability: Can fire energy beams.

Can gift secondary and passive abilities to others.

Passive: Super strength, super reflexes.

[Majestic he/him]

31 minutes ago, Voidus said:

I'm very cautious of meta-Epics. I'd suggest at the least to just write other characters for now, and see if a meta can be fit in somewhere at a later date. Remember that the point should be to create interesting stories and characters, not the most powerful city ever, that should be the goal of the character, not the writer.

Good point. I'll leave Boost behind for now. Maybe my little tsunami Epic is just powerful enough?

32 minutes ago, Voidus said:

I couldn't find anything that mentioned the day so far so I'm going to say day 0 was sunday, day 1 monday.

So day 9 would be Tuesday....

Ok, I can use that.

 

[Blackhoof]

1 minute ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

Okay, I see the issues with my Epic. Let me modify a few things.

@Blackhoof, that sounds good, to leave it as the ability to detect harm dealt within a certain radius. 5km? 10km? and be able to track the individual that caused the harm.

I came up with this character as some sort of personified justice? Thus I tailored his abilities to become anti-criminal. That's why his powers increased as crime increased, but he'd have an overwhelming urge to go deliver justice to all of them, which usually meant killing them all. However, as a person, he hated killing people, and hated himself for doing it, so his Lawkeepers can do it for him and satisfy the law without the need for a bloodbath.

I see all the problems with this.

So yes, new ability layout:

Covenant:

Primary ability: Can detect physical harm dealt to another person within five kilometers of himself, and can track the perpetrator of the harm within ten kilometers.

Secondary ability: Can fire energy beams.

Can gift secondary and passive abilities to others.

Passive: Super strength, super reflexes.

Sounds perfect  

Although I should say that as an Epic, the corruption strips away his empathy, kindness and compassion. As shown in the books, Epics are essentially evil to the core, and so if they felt a strong compulsion to do something, they'd do it. So there is not really a logical way for him to avoid slaughtering any and all criminals with a smile if that is what he wants to do. Think of how nonchalant Deathpoint was as he murdered innocents, simply to prove a point.

I don't think you need to change his personality much- just make sure that the focus of his law-obsession is HIMSELF, and perhaps to avoid his weakness (which I don't know). He doesn't want law and order out of concern for his subjects, he wants law and order because he hates chaos, is a control freak, and enjoys dominating people. Plus, law and order creates a thriving and prosperous city, which is a point of pride. Like Steelheart- Steelheart created an environment in which he could rule over actual people, but ultimately wasn't too concerned about the individuals as long as the system was safe. He blew up a building of innocents to inspire fear.

See what I mean?

[Voidus]

2 minutes ago, Hemalurgic_Headshot said:

Okay, I see the issues with my Epic. Let me modify a few things.

@Blackhoof, that sounds good, to leave it as the ability to detect harm dealt within a certain radius. 5km? 10km? and be able to track the individual that caused the harm.

I came up with this character as some sort of personified justice? Thus I tailored his abilities to become anti-criminal. That's why his powers increased as crime increased, but he'd have an overwhelming urge to go deliver justice to all of them, which usually meant killing them all. However, as a person, he hated killing people, and hated himself for doing it, so his Lawkeepers can do it for him and satisfy the law without the need for a bloodbath.

I see all the problems with this.

So yes, new ability layout:

Covenant:

Primary ability: Can detect physical harm dealt to another person within five kilometers of himself, and can track the perpetrator of the harm within ten kilometers.

Secondary ability: Can fire energy beams.

Can gift secondary and passive abilities to others.

Passive: Super strength, super reflexes.

I was going to suggest flipping the powerset, so he gains power from killing or imprisoning people, and due to his personality he only chooses criminals to murder or imprison.
But I like this better, just a simpler powerset and as Blackhoof noted, more in line with what's typical in the Reckonerverse.

On a Salem-related note, the following Epics will be participating in the first round of the tournament today, feel free to take your pick of them for opponents. Other than Meliability and Savannah I don't mind people writing for them or let me know if you need me to write their side of the battle.

Imperium: Bronze manipulator, is capable of secreting molten Bronze and shaping it into a structure as well as manipulating any solid bronze. Also capable of animating bronze statues though they are only able to obey his direct orders.
Caltrop: Capable of emitting a stream of caltrops from his hands, created from pieces of his skeletal structure, which has vastly enhanced regenerative capabilities however the rest of him does not.
Dragonlord: Can breathe fire and also manipulate the air, enabling him to fly, stand on air or blast people with it.
Skippy: Can shapeshift into a kangaroo, also has greatly increased strength and durability, in kangaroo form he is capable of leaping over building or kicking through solid steel.
Stonetorch: Can instantly immolate any surface made of stone, known for throwing pebbles at people before turning them into fireballs.
Powerswing: Can extend the range of slashing weapons

Savannah : Shapeshifter who can transform into a cheetah and draw any nearby water to him, including groundwater and even some water from within peoples bodies, prolonged use can kill people by dehydration.

Meliability:
Primary power: Metallic malleability- Can reshape the structure of any metallic object she touches.
Passive ability: Enhanced dexterity and physical strength, vastly enhanced speed. She also has very little reaction towards pain though it is unknown if this is an Epic ability or a quirk of her personality.

[Hemalurgic Headshot he/him]

6 minutes ago, Blackhoof said:

Sounds perfect  

Although I should say that as an Epic, the corruption strips away his empathy, kindness and compassion. As shown in the books, Epics are essentially evil to the core, and so if they felt a strong compulsion to do something, they'd do it. So there is not really a logical way for him to avoid slaughtering any and all criminals with a smile if that is what he wants to do. Think of how nonchalant Deathpoint was as he murdered innocents, simply to prove a point.

I don't think you need to change his personality much- just make sure that the focus of his law-obsession is HIMSELF, and perhaps to avoid his weakness (which I don't know). He doesn't want law and order out of concern for his subjects, he wants law and order because he hates chaos, is a control freak, and enjoys dominating people. Plus, law and order creates a thriving and prosperous city, which is a point of pride. Like Steelheart- Steelheart created an environment in which he could rule over actual people, but ultimately wasn't too concerned about the individuals as long as the system was safe. He blew up a building of innocents to inspire fear.

See what I mean?

I went back and edited my posts to fit the powerset. Everything that wasn't directly his powers I can leave to compulsive surveillance. I still need to tweak some of his personality points, but so far he is pretty much an oxymoronic mess.

[Majestic he/him]

23 minutes ago, Voidus said:

I was going to suggest flipping the powerset, so he gains power from killing or imprisoning people, and due to his personality he only chooses criminals to murder or imprison.
But I like this better, just a simpler powerset and as Blackhoof noted, more in line with what's typical in the Reckonerverse.

On a Salem-related note, the following Epics will be participating in the first round of the tournament today, feel free to take your pick of them for opponents. Other than Meliability and Savannah I don't mind people writing for them or let me know if you need me to write their side of the battle.

Imperium: Bronze manipulator, is capable of secreting molten Bronze and shaping it into a structure as well as manipulating any solid bronze. Also capable of animating bronze statues though they are only able to obey his direct orders.
Caltrop: Capable of emitting a stream of caltrops from his hands, created from pieces of his skeletal structure, which has vastly enhanced regenerative capabilities however the rest of him does not.
Dragonlord: Can breathe fire and also manipulate the air, enabling him to fly, stand on air or blast people with it.
Skippy: Can shapeshift into a kangaroo, also has greatly increased strength and durability, in kangaroo form he is capable of leaping over building or kicking through solid steel.
Stonetorch: Can instantly immolate any surface made of stone, known for throwing pebbles at people before turning them into fireballs.
Powerswing: Can extend the range of slashing weapons

Savannah : Shapeshifter who can transform into a cheetah and draw any nearby water to him, including groundwater and even some water from within peoples bodies, prolonged use can kill people by dehydration.

Meliability:
Primary power: Metallic malleability- Can reshape the structure of any metallic object she touches.
Passive ability: Enhanced dexterity and physical strength, vastly enhanced speed. She also has very little reaction towards pain though it is unknown if this is an Epic ability or a quirk of her personality.

I take Skippy

Voidus, could you please update us on when the tournament battles start and the sequential order of the fights?

Cheers

[Voidus]

12 minutes ago, winter devotion said:

Is it physically possible to kill one of the enhanced ones without his weakness and would showing/giving one of the immortals his weakness do anything? 

Instant and complete annihilation would do it but that's about it, so long as there's a functional cell Necropathy himself could regen, and if he gifted enough of his healing away then an Immortal could too.
I'm not sure if we ever found out what would happen to someone who was gifted with a power was confronted with a weakness. I'd be inclined to say it would fall under the umbrella of large power usage and be unaffected by weaknesses but that's up to discussion.

Necropathy's weakness would be kind of hard to trigger in any of the Immortals anyway though so not sure it will come up, but for the hypothetical I'm going to say that no it won't affect them.

I take Skippy

Voidus, could you please update us on when the tournament battles start and the sequential order of the fights?

Cheers

They start whenever someone wants them to, I can do a Soulcaster opening if needed but I don't mind people jumping right into it.
Fight order can be pretty vague since they shouldn't impact each other much, but generally it's first come first serve.
There will be some exceptions later in the game-day but I'll let people know when that's about to happen.

[Majestic he/him]

1 minute ago, Voidus said:

They start whenever someone wants them to, I can do a Soulcaster opening if needed but I don't mind people jumping right into it.
Fight order can be pretty vague since they shouldn't impact each other much, but generally it's first come first serve.
There will be some exceptions later in the game-day but I'll let people know when that's about to happen.

Ah, alright. I'm doing a bit for the Wastelands right now, so I'll see what I can do later.

[Blackhoof]

4 minutes ago, Voidus said:

Instant and complete annihilation would do it but that's about it, so long as there's a functional cell Necropathy himself could regen, and if he gifted enough of his healing away then an Immortal could too.
I'm not sure if we ever found out what would happen to someone who was gifted with a power was confronted with a weakness. I'd be inclined to say it would fall under the umbrella of large power usage and be unaffected by weaknesses but that's up to discussion.

Necropathy's weakness would be kind of hard to trigger in any of the Immortals anyway though so not sure it will come up, but for the hypothetical I'm going to say that no it won't affect them.

 

 

I actually disagree- a gifted person is essentially a proxy of that Epic, so if they encounter a physical weakness then that should cancel out the powers. The powers themselves are linked to the weakness of the Epic, so they would "know", per say.

I agree internal weaknesses wouldn't- too hard to translate, I would say.

[Voidus]

1 minute ago, Blackhoof said:

 

I actually disagree- a gifted person is essentially a proxy of that Epic, so if they encounter a physical weakness then that should cancel out the powers. The powers themselves are linked to the weakness of the Epic, so they would "know", per say.

I agree internal weaknesses wouldn't- too hard to translate, I would say.

The powers are but when those powers are sufficiently distanced from the Epic the weakness no longer affects them (eg. Nightwielder can block out the sun from the sky, despite the sun being essentially a giant ball of his weakness) I'd be inclined to say that gifting is likewise distanced from the Epic themselves, and gifted people don't have rendings or Epic madness so they're at least partially different from a proxy for the Epic.

Either way though, as I mentioned for Necropathy at least it is highly unlikely that someone else would trigger it.

[The Swan Dragon he/him]

4 minutes ago, Blackhoof said:

 

I actually disagree- a gifted person is essentially a proxy of that Epic, so if they encounter a physical weakness then that should cancel out the powers. The powers themselves are linked to the weakness of the Epic, so they would "know", per say.

I agree internal weaknesses wouldn't- too hard to translate, I would say.

I think that the rule that David mentioned in book 2?3 as to why Steelheart's Steelification wasn't stopped by people that didn't fear him would probably apply here as well. Unfortunately, since none of the gifters mentioned in the books had their giftees encounter their weakness (afawk), there's not much we can say.

I do want to say that I disagree about the giftee being essentially a proxy, since the Epic can modulate how much power and which power is given.

 

Edit before I even freaking finish posting: Voidus you ninja'd me!