bdoble97 Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 Are the Parshendi that have taken the stormform and are now voidbringers the only Parshendi on the planet. I know there is the group that ran away before the big transformation happened. But i was think The human in the war camls are not the only humans on the planet there are many kingdoms with different race of people. In saying that could there be different tribes of Parshendi of diffrent races. I also thought if there is only one group of Parshendi could theybe from a diffrent planet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tariniel he/him Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 The fact that Jasnah discovers that humanity has enslaved the Voidbringers seems to imply that the parshmen can also become Voidbringers somehow. So I wouldn't limit myself to only the Parshendi being the danger here. That being said, there could very well be Parshendi in other parts of the planet (I would say this is even likely), though I think jumping to other planets is a bit lacking in source... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nymeros Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 Arent the Parshendi just one nation of the Listener race? There are others of their kind out there though they wouldn't go by the name "Parshendi" because they're not of that specific group. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 31 minutes ago, Nymeros said: Arent the Parshendi just one nation of the Listener race? There are others of their kind out there though they wouldn't go by the name "Parshendi" because they're not of that specific group. The text implies that the only Listeners capable of reason are the Parshendi (which literally means "parshmen who can think"). The are a lot of formless Listeners on Roshar, parshmen. But it was a big discovery when Alethi met Parshendi precisely because they were parshmen AND they could think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 1 hour ago, bdoble97 said: Are the Parshendi that have taken the stormform and are now voidbringers the only Parshendi on the planet. I know there is the group that ran away before the big transformation happened. But i was think The human in the war camls are not the only humans on the planet there are many kingdoms with different race of people. In saying that could there be different tribes of Parshendi of diffrent races. I also thought if there is only one group of Parshendi could theybe from a diffrent planet. As @Oversleep said, the term Parshendi broadly means "Parshmen who can think" As such, the Listeners, the name of the race, is actually, in essence, divided into only two groups based on those terms, either Parshmen or Parshendi. However, of the Listeners who are not slaveform, there likely exists other groups other than the one that Gavilar met. However, I believe that all Listeners are just one race, a racial group of humans, as Listeners and Humans are, by definition of species, the same specie. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nervousnerd he/him Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 I was under the impression that other than the enslaved parshmen, the group of Listeners in the shattered plains were the only ones but that group was itself composed of many previously separate smaller groups that came together (I thought inter-tribe warring was mentioned.) I suppose it would make sense that Parshendi from further away might not be able to make it to the Shattered Plains easily. I wonder where else they could hide as easily though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tavash Shar Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 All Parshmen are slave form Parshendi, and all Parshmen and Parshendi have the Potential to be void bringers when the ever storm hits them: Its outright stated by Jasnah and Hoid in the epilog as well as Graves to Moash:"The Diagram is vague," Graves said. "We only knew the term because of old Gavilar's visions. The Diagram says this will probably return the Voidbringers, though. Those have turned out to be the parshmen, it seems." He shook his head. "Damnation. That woman was right." "Woman?" "Jasnah Kholin" And to Dalnar via Shallan. Now here is the fun thing. How much listener is required in your blood to be able to take a form because according to what we know of the story humans both enslaved and interbreed with the listeners. That is how we got the Horneaters. That is probably why the Herdaz have stone fingernails instead of normal human ones. That's probably even how the Aimians have kandra style shape shifting in there skin and wrong ways shadows. So how much makes you a void bringer. What does it take in your blood line for a void spren to ride you into Odiums legion? Does having a Nahl bond stop that from happening? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stBondsmith he/him Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 Methinks you jump a length too for @Lord Tavash Shar. I do not think that all the species on Roshar are a mix of Human and Listener. Horneaters likely are, Herdazians have the stone nails...unlike anyone else. The two Amian types appear to have abilities neither have (even if you count the Forms of the listeners) because they rearrange their skin at precise will, not a difficult form or spren activates change. There are many other answers for their types, ranging all over from off-world like Kandra related, to in world Old Magic, to some other mixes. I don't think this is a spectrum thing, but many different things existing together. This is Brandon writing after all, and thus, with 10,000 more pages to go, we will learn about a great many races. I do not see a need to make them all a mix of the only two we have details about in the first two books. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 45 minutes ago, 1stBondsmith said: Methinks you jump a length too for @Lord Tavash Shar. I do not think that all the species on Roshar are a mix of Human and Listener. Horneaters likely are, Herdazians have the stone nails...unlike anyone else. The two Amian types appear to have abilities neither have (even if you count the Forms of the listeners) because they rearrange their skin at precise will, not a difficult form or spren activates change. There are many other answers for their types, ranging all over from off-world like Kandra related, to in world Old Magic, to some other mixes. I don't think this is a spectrum thing, but many different things existing together. This is Brandon writing after all, and thus, with 10,000 more pages to go, we will learn about a great many races. I do not see a need to make them all a mix of the only two we have details about in the first two books. Horneaters and Herdazians being part Listener has been confirmed by Brandon, and we know many from Jah Keved have Horneaters in their ancestry (including Shallan, because of her hair). Aimians are not human. We don't know if they have mixed with Listeners too, or even if they could, but I think it's unlikely. Their abilities could just be their own. Edited October 21, 2016 by Eki Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lord Tavash Shar said: All Parshmen are slave form Parshendi Just a reminder: slaveform isn't really a form in the same meaning of the word we are used to. That's actually wrong - what parshmen are is lack of form; it may be similar to slaveform dullform but it is not the same thing. Slaveform Dullform is used by Parshendi to spy freely among parshmen. But with what Rlain showed us it seems that slaveform's dullform's mental capability is greater than parshman. Edited October 21, 2016 by Oversleep I was wrong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Oversleep said: That's actually wrong - what parshmen are is lack of form; it may be similar to slaveform but it is not the same thing. Slaveform is used by Parshendi to spy freely among parshmen. But with what Rlain showed us it seems that slaveform's mental capability is greater than parshman. Isn't that dullform? Edit: Yeah: http://coppermind.net/wiki/Listener Slaveform is the lack of form, and the form used for spying is dullform. It's more intelligent than slaveform, and obviously more independent. Edited October 21, 2016 by Eki 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted October 21, 2016 Report Share Posted October 21, 2016 56 minutes ago, Oversleep said: That's actually wrong - what parshmen are is lack of form; it may be similar to slaveform but it is not the same thing. Slaveform is used by Parshendi to spy freely among parshmen. But with what Rlain showed us it seems that slaveform's mental capability is greater than parshman. Parshmen lack a form, and as such are called slaveform by other listeners. Rlain was in dullform to spy, which is physically identical to slaveform but with greater mental capacity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marianmi Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 parshendi were "the last legion", a military group that probably deserted the voidbringers the last desolation by renouncing the power forms and odium, and hide. they used only a few forms that were odium-free. probably because they were hiding for a long time, they lost contact with the world and didn't know about parshmen. it's interesting how parshmen were kept out of the storms for so long, how none had a transformation-by-mistake. in any case, now we have another group that did the same the last legion of the last legion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eki Posted October 22, 2016 Report Share Posted October 22, 2016 1 minute ago, marianmi said: it's interesting how parshmen were kept out of the storms for so long, how none had a transformation-by-mistake. Hang on... do we know this? Wouldn't it be really cool if there were hidden pockets of Listeners around the whole continent? Parshmen who accidentally transformed, and decided to not return to their "masters". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted October 23, 2016 Report Share Posted October 23, 2016 (edited) There is a WoB (that I cannot find) that if a parshman aggresively didn't want to turn into Voidbringer, he could resist transformation. But I can't find it. Anyway, parshmen probably have trouble changing form as they're now without any form. " slaveform, the form with no spren, no soul, and no song ". Probably a song/Rhythm is needed to attract a spren. EDIT: For future Sharders: I found it: http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1120#25 Edited June 20, 2017 by Oversleep 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeakoftheDeval Posted November 1, 2016 Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 I think Eshonai said you needed to sing the right songs to transform in a Highstorm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdoble97 Posted November 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2016 2 hours ago, MadhavDeval said: I think Eshonai said you needed to sing the right songs to transform in a Highstorm Ok cool that sounf like it would make sense. Maybe that's why she was going to execute all the other there were questioning the transformation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summers Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 does anyone know how many escaped? I have a feeling they will join the bridgemen as fighting refugees and advisers on fighting voidbringers.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spoolofwhool Posted November 16, 2016 Report Share Posted November 16, 2016 57 minutes ago, summers said: does anyone know how many escaped? I have a feeling they will join the bridgemen as fighting refugees and advisers on fighting voidbringers.. How many Listeners escaped the Everstorm and did not assume Stormform? Not many in a concentrated area. Those that refused Eshonai were killed IIRC, or weren't left in a state to do much. The parshman wouldn't be able to resist the transformation of the Everstorm unless they're shielded from it I think. In any case, they wouldn't be of help either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jondesu he/him Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 4 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said: How many Listeners escaped the Everstorm and did not assume Stormform? Not many in a concentrated area. Those that refused Eshonai were killed IIRC, or weren't left in a state to do much. The parshman wouldn't be able to resist the transformation of the Everstorm unless they're shielded from it I think. In any case, they wouldn't be of help either. The ones that refused actually escaped, though whether they survived the storms colliding is uncertain (and certainly it wouldn't sit right if they all did, but the way it was set up implies some will have survived). Brandon has hinted that with effort, they could resist the change, but I would assume only that little group of Parshendi could; Parshmen don't have the power of thought to refuse the transition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
summers Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 If they can't resist and have taken stormform anyway, then its pretty sad. Escaped only to turn into stormform regardless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bdoble97 Posted November 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 5 hours ago, summers said: If they can't resist and have taken stormform anyway, then its pretty sad. Escaped only to turn into stormform regardless. They ones that escaped were led by one of the Warform leaders. I think will meat up with Rlain who trust Kaladin and they will fight along side the KR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata he/him Posted November 17, 2016 Report Share Posted November 17, 2016 5 hours ago, summers said: If they can't resist and have taken stormform anyway, then its pretty sad. Escaped only to turn into stormform regardless. The Formless one have to aggressively resist the Stormspren's bonding in the Everstorm but probably the one with another form (for example the ones who runned away from Eshonai) have to be willing to accept the Stormform 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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