Long Game 25: A Breath of Power

[Elbereth she/her]

LG25: Night Five - Final Flight

Alex had always been odd. Perhaps that was why they’d come for him, he reflected to himself, as he sat atop the now-deserted inn. They’d ransacked it after Frank died, searching for any hint of Idrian Returned. Or, at least, so they’d said. Alex suspected some of them had spent more time with the now-unprotected wine cellars than actually searching, but that was none of his business.

No. His business was with the birds. He fed the last bit of bread he’d taken from the inn’s kitchen to a particularly nosy sparrow, then stroked its feathers gently. It was still young, so it shied away, and he let it. It’d already eaten from his hand today. That was progress enough for now.

He heard the door open behind him, and sighed, standing. He’d been hoping to have a little more time to say goodbye to the birds, but they’d gotten upstairs sooner than he’d expected. 

He gently shooed off all the birds. No need for them to get hurt with him. As they fluttered away, he said without looking behind him, “What excuse has been provided this time? I’m secretly supporting Idris by buying bread, perhaps?”

“The birds. They’d be a perfect way to send messages to Idris.”

Alex sighed. “And I have no ties, no one to defend me. Well, then. How shall it be?” He looked out across the village and the fields beyond, watching the last little bird disappear into the distance. 

“Die, Idrian scum,” someone said, and he felt a hand at his back. 

And so, he took the flight he’d always dreamed of. And it was short, but Colors, it was glorious. 

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The Only Alex was lynched! He was a Hallandren Villager!

Night 5 has begun. You have 24 hours to send in your actions.

Vote Count: 
>Alex (4): Luckat, Sheep, Doctor, Bard
>Sheep (1): Alex

Player List

 

1. Luckat (Lularah)

2. Bugsy (Unknown)
3. Araris (Alalar)
4. Assassin in Burgundy (Burganaa)
5. Magestar (Yulis Zorander)
6. The Only Alex
7. Silverblade (Ryth)
8. Conquestor (Lorien)
9. SilverDragon (Jaftar)
10. Mark (Darb)
11. Elodin (Eventeo)
12. Sheep (Kelek)
13. Deathclutch (Asher McClallen)
14. Straw (Pallelae Hominis)
15. Paranoid King (Plathar Ku)
16. Daniyah (Dimsari)
17. Ecthelion (mysterious cloaked figure)
18. Lopen (Talion)
19. Frozen Mint (Shivawn)
20. Dalinar Kholin (Varg)
21. Meta (Cog)
22. Doctor12 (the Healer)
23. Twei (Kolth)
24. Bard (Brick)

Edited September 5, 2016 by Elbereth
vote tally

[Mint11 she/her]

Taking a quick tally, then heading off to bed.

Alex (4): Bard, Meta, luckat, Sheep, Doc

Sheep (1): Alex, Frozen Mint, Straw, Magestar

So Magestar said that he'd cancel votes not on Sheep. I'm going to assume that's the explanation for the cancelled vote on Alex (in which case, we really need an explanation as to why Magestar did not want Sheep lynched) and also the explanation for why the elims cancelled three votes on Sheep instead of one. They were playing it safe.

But they also exposed one of their own, unless they just had loads of free actions to mess with us. So guess we found the rabbit holder.

[Magestar he/him]

Actually, I canceled Meta's vote on Doc.   Apparently that transfered over to when he put a vote on Alex, which works out fine in my case.

14 hours ago, Frozen Mint said:

I'm going to assume that's the explanation for the cancelled vote on Alex (in which case, we really need an explanation as to why Magestar did not want Sheep lynched) and also the explanation for why the elims cancelled three votes on Sheep instead of one.

What the heck, I wanted sheep lynched. I voted for him.  I tried to swing the lynch onto him.  What.  What.  Huh?  

And we really need to lynch Sheep.  

This post by Frozen makes me want to lynch Frozen as well.   

If anyone has a lifeless, which I know a few people do, thanks to PM's, I would love to be protected tonight.  

I will be entering the lottery tonight, as well as using countermeasures to protect myself.

Edited September 5, 2016 by Magestar

[Mint11 she/her]

34 minutes ago, Magestar said:

What the heck, I wanted sheep lynched. I voted for him.  I tried to swing the lynch onto him.  What.  What.  Huh?  And we really need to lynch Sheep.  

I know you wanted to lynch Sheep. But I want to know why you were so determined to lynch Sheep over Alex, because you never gave an explanation for that.

Obviously we know now that Sheep is an elim and Alex was innocent. But what had you so convinced before?

35 minutes ago, Magestar said:

This post by Frozen makes me want to lynch Frozen as well.

Color me surprised.  

[Magestar he/him]

52 minutes ago, Frozen Mint said:

Color me surprised.  

That bit of the post was a little bit of a joke.   I know I have been gunning for you all game, and I don't usually like to do that, so I made fun of myself a bit.

If Sheep is an Elim, then it is likely we will only have 1-2 Elims left after D6.  I will not be surprised to see breath stolen tonight, along with maybe one kill.  The kill will probably go to me.  This is a good thing, because I will have at least one protection tonight, and that should make them waste at least one rabbit.  

Edited September 5, 2016 by Magestar

[Elbereth she/her]

Cycle is closed!

[Elbereth she/her]

LG25: Day Six - Foo Foo Takes the Spotlight

Little bunny Foo Foo
Hopping through the village
Picking up Shivawn
And bopping her on the head!

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Frozen Mint died! She was a Hallandren Villager!
Doctor12 was attacked, but didn't die!

Day 6 has begun. You have 48 hours to decide who to lynch. 

Player List

 

1. Luckat (Lularah)

2. Bugsy (Unknown)
3. Araris (Alalar)
4. Assassin in Burgundy (Burganaa)
5. Magestar (Yulis Zorander)
6. The Only Alex
7. Silverblade (Ryth)
8. Conquestor (Lorien)
9. SilverDragon (Jaftar)
10. Mark (Darb)
11. Elodin (Eventeo)
12. Sheep (Kelek)
13. Deathclutch (Asher McClallen)
14. Straw (Pallelae Hominis)
15. Paranoid King (Plathar Ku)
16. Daniyah (Dimsari)
17. Ecthelion (mysterious cloaked figure)
18. Lopen (Talion)
19. Frozen Mint (Shivawn)
20. Dalinar Kholin (Varg)
21. Meta (Cog)
22. Doctor12 (the Healer)
23. Twei (Kolth)
24. Bard (Brick)

Edited September 6, 2016 by Elbereth

[Doc12]

The Healer was alone in the woods when it happened. 

He had wanted to be alone. Fled. Run from the village, guilt chasing and reaching for him with its insidious fingers. 

Alex. An innocent. Alex had always been a quiet one, and he had accused Alex. Him. The Healer. Causing the death of an innocent villager. 

Healer. He spat.

He had known he could never forgive himself. The fact that he had not meant to kill Alex did not come into it. He had been the first to call him out. And when others had started chiming in, he had made no move to withdraw his vote. 

He leaned against an old gnarled tree, vowing to himself that Alex’s death would not go unavenged. Who, then, were the Returned? Could it be Kelek? Kelek had been the other target of suspicion by the other villagers, and he had seen three men who had voted for Kelek fall to the ground, choked by Awakened clothing. Could Kelek be the other Returned?

Yet the same thing had happened in the lynch of Friend Darb. Four men had been choked by Awakened clothing, and yet Darb had been an ordinary villager in the end. Could the Returned be hoping that the incident of Friend Darb would prevent the villagers from suspecting Kelek? Or was Kelek another victim of circumstance?

And he could not discount the fact that for two nights now, there had been no Drab deaths. Two villagers had had their Breath stolen two nights in a row, yet there had been no Drab deaths the following night. He supposed that the lottery would have granted them Breath, but two nights in a row? Could there be yet another newly Returned such as Rox?

He wondered whether he had it in him to accuse yet another. Another possible innocent. He had Alex’s blood on his hands. Could he cause another death? He cursed again. He was a Healer. A Healer. Yet. Something had to be done to prevent more deaths. He would give Kelek (Sheep) the benefit of the doubt, but if need be, he would lead the vote.

He grabbed a low hanging branch, pulling himself up from his grassy seat. Having decided, he felt more at peace with himself, even though guilt still gnawed at him. It was time to head back into the village.

Then he heard it. A scream from the direction of the village. He gritted his teeth. Another rabbit kill. Curse those Returned. Curse them. He slung his pack over his shoulder and made to run in  the direction of the scream.

A snuffling. Tiny footsteps. He stopped short, then sighed and relaxed, turning to look into the eyes of death. Two small red eyes stared up at him, shining with malevolence. The Healer reached into his pocket, bringing out a small spray of powder, then sighed and put it back. Why me?

There was no overpowering a Lifeless, even one as small as a rabbit.

He closed his eyes, and something whooshed past him. Snapping his eyes open, he saw a hulking figure holding the violently struggling rabbit by the scruff of its neck, oblivious to the scratches and bites the rabbit was trying to give. With an easy motion, the figure swung， and the rabbit’s form was silhouetted against the moon as it flew over the forest into nowhere.

The figure turned, and the Healer saw who had saved him. A Lifeless. Someone had sent one to protect him. But who?

Murmuring his thanks, he allowed himself to be led back to the village.

EDIT: can my savior please PM me? 

Edited September 6, 2016 by Doctor12
EDIT: RP is fun guys! Why did I stop doing RP? Everyone should RP :P

[Magestar he/him]

Woah.  It worked.  

DEM JUKES Y'ALL.

Ok, we need to lynch Sheep.  I think he is the last Elim, maybe there is another innactive.  Frozen, I would like to publicly apologize for gunning for you this whole game.  Oops.  

After we lynch Sheep... I really hope he is the last Elim.  I think that if he is not, we're screwed.  He at least has to be an Elim, for us to win.  IF there is another Elim, which seems likely, then we will have problems.

[Straw he/him]

We need to Lynch Sheep

[Magestar he/him]

Well, this is sort of sad.  I really hope more people will speak up.  I've noticed that games start to get really quiet around this time, and it does not help that we have so many lurkers/inactives.

[AliasSheep]

Hmm, so for a second time in a row, someone votes for me and then Straw and Magestar jump on the bandwagon with no reasoning of their own?  And no "I think he's an elim" is not reasoning, it's so vague and generic it could stand in for anything and allows Magestar to completely circumvent needing to justify his position. 

12 hours ago, Straw said:

We need to Lynch Sheep

Yes, but why?  I don't mind being voted on, really, but if you're going to vote on me and not explain why at all whatsoever, then I start to get annoyed.

[luckat she/her]

I'm sorry about taking so long to post. I ended up being busier than I thought I'd be. Hopefully everything I say makes sense. And I hope everyone else who hasn't posted yet will post soon.

Here’s the notable things that happened in the writeup:

• There were no Drab deaths.
• There were two Rabbit attacks again: one on Frozen Mint and one on Doctor.
• The attack on Doctor was blocked by a Lifeless.
• There was no Breath stolen.

Since there were no Drab deaths, then whoever had their Breath stolen last time either won the Lottery or Returned. Since they haven’t come forward, however, that doesn’t do us much good. If anyone knows of any Potential Returned, it could be good to keep an eye on them.

A WGG seems really unlikely when the eliminators wouldn’t have much other use for a Lifeless, and I’ve felt like I could trust Doctor for most of the game, so it is really unlikely Doctor is Returned. Hopefully whoever protected him has contacted him by now so they can coordinate easily in the future.

There’s a few possibilities that can lead to no Breath being stolen in the writeup.

1. A Lifeless protected the target. If anyone used a Lifeless on someone other than Doctor last night and were notified that they blocked an attack, they should contact their target because that must have been the person who the Returned tried stealing Breath from.
2. A Rope was used on whoever tried to steal Breath. If no one comes forward as having been protected by a Lifeless, then anyone who used a Rope last night might want to come forward because they could have blocked the Breath theft.
3. It’s possible the Returned didn’t send in an order for whatever reason.
4. In general, there’s also the possibility that they tried to steal Breath from someone who was already dead (from the Drab assassin), but given there were no Drab deaths that’s not possible in this case.

Since there were two Rabbit attacks combined with the three uses of Clothing to protect Sheep (assuming Magestar’s blocking of Meta’s vote was from a villager), the Returned appear to have used 5 actions during Cycle 5 (leaving 1 for the missing Breath stealing). That means there were at least 3 Returned active during Cycle 5. If someone Returned last night, there are now at least 4. That leaves our numbers at probably 7-3 or 6-4. That’s really close, especially when the Returned have 3 attacks each night (2 immediate and 1 delayed) and the power to cancel 3 of our votes. And that’s not even including how many inactives there are. If I’m right about Daniyah and Elodin being village but not paying attention, those numbers might as well be 5-3 or 4-4. So we really need to stop some of those attacks, and we need everyone to vote. If we lynch a Returned without a Rabbit and both attacks go through tomorrow, our effective numbers will be at 3-2 or even 2-3. It’s too tight to make a mistake at this point, and even lynching a less powerful Returned might be a mistake.

Because of that, we really need to find out where the Rabbit kills are coming from. The only person we can be reasonably sure they’re not coming from is Elodin (since he’s been inactive on nights the Rabbit holders would have had to send in actions). So I’m going to go through who might have a Rabbit.

• Doctor is almost certainly a villager.
• I think Bard is a villager, or at least started as a villager. His last-minute vote on Alex last cycle is making me question that assessment, although since it wasn’t actually necessary from the Returned’s point of view and a Rabbit holder wouldn’t want to draw attention to themselves like that I doubt he has a Rabbit.
• Daniyah has given me every impression that she isn’t paying enough attention to be sending in actions.
• Sheep, Straw, and Assassin all seem to be paying enough attention to the game to be sending in actions if they are eliminators, and they all seem to have been trying to avoid attention. I wouldn’t be surprised if one of them had a Rabbit.
• I don’t know much about what actions Meta has been taking, and if he did have a Rabbit he wouldn’t be able to slip back and hope to hide the way others might.
• Magestar has been openly using a single piece of Clothing. However, that could be leaving him open to still use an action for a Rabbit. While he hasn’t hung back, he doesn’t seem like the type to.

Sheep is the obvious choice after last cycle’s lynch, but I think that’s too obvious. If none of the other players who had votes on them were eliminators (and I don’t think any of them were), the Returned were free to mess with the lynch however they wanted without risking any of their own. They could be trying to get us to mislynch like they did with Mark, and I think at this point one mislynch will cost us the game.

Honestly, the player I’m most wary of at this point is Meta. I’ve felt like something is off about him all game. When he was accusing Mark, trying to convince us that they saved him because Mark was the Rabbit holder the way he brought it up was as if he specifically had the Rabbit on his mind, which would make a lot more sense if he was the one with the Rabbit. Also, when he voted for Alex last turn, it seems as if he was following me onto that vote, like siding with someone who most people seem to have trusted would get him more trusted. I feel like it’s likely Meta has a Rabbit, and if not at the very least he seems like their strategist. Not many people would be able to pull off a plan that involved framing a villager with vote blocks. He did say before that he thought the Returned’s plan with Mark was wonky, but what better way to defend yourself than claim a plan you were involved in is incomprehensible? He certainly seemed quick to try to shift blame on me for suggesting people use clothing in the first place--almost as if that was a second reason for the plan (that whole post accusing me seemed odd, honestly). 

My suspicions on Meta might be more gut than logic, but I can’t shake them so I’m going to put my vote on him for now.

Although something about the way Mage bandwagoned last turn is also making me wary. He seemed to be trying to get someone killed without having to contribute any reasoning. Some of the comments he made about Sheep were almost like he was trying to get us not to lynch him without actually making the move himself. And there were other times when it seemed like he knew Sheep was an eliminator--or at least that Sheep would be implicated as an eliminator when the votes and Clothing were all in.

23 hours ago, Magestar said:

Woah.  It worked.  

DEM JUKES Y'ALL.

Ok, we need to lynch Sheep.  I think he is the last Elim, maybe there is another innactive.  Frozen, I would like to publicly apologize for gunning for you this whole game.  Oops.  

After we lynch Sheep... I really hope he is the last Elim.  I think that if he is not, we're screwed.  He at least has to be an Elim, for us to win.  IF there is another Elim, which seems likely, then we will have problems.

Mage, it’s almost like you’re trying to lull us into a false sense of security here. There is not only one Returned left unless all the anti-village actions have come from secretive villagers.

 

Vote Tally:
Sheep (3): Doctor, Magestar, Straw
Magestar (1): Sheep
Meta (1): luckat

No Vote: Burgundy, Elodin, Daniyah, Meta, Bard

Edited September 7, 2016 by luckat
added vote tally

[Magestar he/him]

10 hours ago, AliasSheep said:

Yes, but why?  I don't mind being voted on, really, but if you're going to vote on me and not explain why at all whatsoever, then I start to get annoyed.

We're voting for you because you were obviously saved last turn.  There were two kill options;  One was definitely a villager.  Then you were illogically saved from death, and a villager died.  I'll assume that two of those vote cancel's were from you, but another one had to have come from somewhere.  It seems like it was an Elim thing happening.

If not, I'll be disapointed.  But you've been quiet enough for me not to mind that you'll be gone.  After that, I'll stop starting lynches, and just follow Luckat, who has almost exclusively killed Elims.  

48 minutes ago, luckat said:

Mage, it’s almost like you’re trying to lull us into a false sense of security here. There is not only one Returned left unless all the anti-village actions have come from secretive villagers.

Ummm...

On September 6, 2016 at 6:17 AM, Magestar said:

After we lynch Sheep... I really hope he is the last Elim

On September 6, 2016 at 6:17 AM, Magestar said:

IF there is another Elim, which seems likely, then we will have problems.

Bold mine.  I don't think that he is the last Elim, I think that he is probably one of the last two active Elim's.  There might be more innactives;  I don't know.  A big problem is not knowing who has been having there breath stolen.  So, there could be a few innactive 'Potential Returned' turned Returned by now.  It would be nice if we had more active players.  

[Metacognition he/him]

11 hours ago, luckat said:

Honestly, the player I’m most wary of at this point is Meta. I’ve felt like something is off about him all game. When he was accusing Mark, trying to convince us that they saved him because Mark was the Rabbit holder the way he brought it up was as if he specifically had the Rabbit on his mind, which would make a lot more sense if he was the one with the Rabbit. Also, when he voted for Alex last turn, it seems as if he was following me onto that vote, like siding with someone who most people seem to have trusted would get him more trusted. I feel like it’s likely Meta has a Rabbit, and if not at the very least he seems like their strategist. Not many people would be able to pull off a plan that involved framing a villager with vote blocks. He did say before that he thought the Returned’s plan with Mark was wonky, but what better way to defend yourself than claim a plan you were involved in is incomprehensible? He certainly seemed quick to try to shift blame on me for suggesting people use clothing in the first place--almost as if that was a second reason for the plan (that whole post accusing me seemed odd, honestly). 

My suspicions on Meta might be more gut than logic, but I can’t shake them so I’m going to put my vote on him for now.

 

You know, overall, I'm flattered that you think I could be such a mastermind as to think 3-4 turns ahead of time and know what kind of situations would come up and thus be able to plan for them as early as Day 2. Cause that would be what would need to happen for me to be a Returned at this point. I would need to know that the Returned's plan with Mark would fail and then buss Ecthelion and Lopen (whom I was one of the first people to vote for him, remember?). During all this, I go out of my way to make myself suspicious by calling for Mark's death and attacking people who will be looked at favorably after the results come in. And I would do all this and know that all this was going to happen just so I could make the claim that I would have to have been a pretty horrible Eliminator to do all of those things. 
Like I said, I'm flattered, but sorry, I'm not even close to that omniscient. In fact, the only reason I think that I'm still alive is due to how off a lot of my reads have been! My only good read was catching Lopen and that was mainly based on gut after finding out about Mark. 

 

I feel like I've been neglecting my gut this entire game in favor of trying to find evidence where there isn't any. And that's why I'm going back with my gut from Day 1 and going with Magestar. I had a bad read on him since early on and I allowed myself to be convinced of otherwise. And I'm not the only one. Many people have had concerns about him throughout the entire game. I don't want to go back and hunt for them all, but most of those people are dead now. 

Then there's just the last cycle or so. He seemed/s adamant about getting Sheep lynched for one. As I pointed out during the last day turn, he accused Mint of trying to draw votes off of who he saw as an Elim while trying to get people to pile onto Sheep. Heck, the fact that he was trying to get as many votes onto Sheep as possible and then we have another situation where a ton of votes are negated (which I'll get to in a min) makes it seem to me as if he already knew that there were going to be a lot of Awakened Clothings being used. 
And what about the vote negation? This almost exactly the same situation that we had with Mark and the only other person to even mention such has been Doc! What makes this time any different than the last and we know how the last one went. If I had to guess, I'd say that the Returned saw what happened last time and now they're using it to try to draw some heat off of Magestar by having him do practically exactly what I did. He just seems too adamant about this for him to not have some additional knowledge to give him reasoning for it. Even his reasoning for wanting to lynch Sheep from above doesn't back up his fervor for this lynch to the point where he's ignoring what has happened in the past in this very game. Mark was saved and a villager lynched that turn too. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice though.... 
Finally, there's the bit that Luckat brought up about the number of Returned left*. If Sheep did use Awakened Clothing to help try to save himself, that could've accounted for some of the actions. But, we still have to account for two Rabbits and their Breath steal . There were two Rabbit attacks and no Breath steal this last turn. If we consider that the Returned doing the Breath Steal was Roped (the most likely scenario, IMO), then that means that either one Returned is controlling both Rabbits or that there are at least 2 other Returned other than the Breath Steal-er. It's just a logical deduction. So Magestar is uber, ultimately, convinced of Sheep's guilt, but is down playing the number of Returned we're likely dealing with? If there is three of them then, if they get another mislynch here and they get their kills to go through, they're pretty well set to win the following day. Seems to me like a perfect time for them to go with the same type of plan as they went with before and I think they're pushing for it pretty hard right now. 

And this is just what I remember from the last day. If I went back through the entire game, I'm sure I could pull even more evidence that Magestar is a Returned, but it's been voiced by so many people by this point that I think we've all had this thought as some point in time. I'll do so though, if needed though. We need to make this lynch count and I'm willing to bet on Magestar being Returned. 

 

*Something else with this and the counting of actions. While not proof by any means, just another thing I noticed. Magestar has been very forthcoming with his day actions, but that still leaves him a night action to use; of which we know nothing about. Perhaps the reason we didn't have a Breath Steal last night is because Magestar wound up having to use both his actions this day turn and forgot that he had already used up his action for last night. 

 

EDIT: I forgot to color my vote

Edited September 7, 2016 by Metacognition

[Elbereth she/her]

Note that the writeup will likely be a few hours late tonight; the cycle will still end at the normal time. Apologies for the delay. 

[Magestar he/him]

6 hours ago, Metacognition said:

I feel like I've been neglecting my gut this entire game in favor of trying to find evidence where there isn't any. And that's why I'm going back with my gut from Day 1 and going with Magestar. I had a bad read on him since early on and I allowed myself to be convinced of otherwise. And I'm not the only one. Many people have had concerns about him throughout the entire game. I don't want to go back and hunt for them all, but most of those people are dead now. 

I'm going to feel really bad if your a villager, and your logic and your gut have both been wrong all game.   

If your not, which I think is much more likely, then I think that you probably have been very successful.  I'm going to try and bold in what I'm saying, in a quote of what you said above.  I've seen it done, and I don't want to quote back and forth with all that text.   

6 hours ago, Metacognition said:

I feel like I've been neglecting my gut this entire game in favor of trying to find evidence where there isn't any. And that's why I'm going back with my gut from Day 1 and going with Magestar. I had a bad read on him since early on and I allowed myself to be convinced of otherwise. And I'm not the only one. Many people have had concerns about him throughout the entire game. I don't want to go back and hunt for them all, but most of those people are dead now. 

True.  And quite a few of those people have been Elims.  But so has Sheep, which is another piece of Evidence in favor of him being an Elim.

Then there's just the last cycle or so. He seemed/s adamant about getting Sheep lynched for one. As I pointed out during the last day turn, he accused Mint of trying to draw votes off of who he saw as an Elim while trying to get people to pile onto Sheep. Heck, the fact that he was trying to get as many votes onto Sheep as possible and then we have another situation where a ton of votes are negated (which I'll get to in a min) makes it seem to me as if he already knew that there were going to be a lot of Awakened Clothings being used. 

Wait.  I tried to get a bunch of votes on Sheep, and this is why I look like an Elim?  Because I knew he would not be lynched?  That does not make any sense. Plus, you voted for Alex!  Who was definitely a Villager!  You were one of the first to do so, as well.  Also, of course I knew a bunch of awakened clothing would be used.  It has been all game!

And what about the vote negation? This almost exactly the same situation that we had with Mark and the only other person to even mention such has been Doc! What makes this time any different than the last and we know how the last one went. If I had to guess, I'd say that the Returned saw what happened last time and now they're using it to try to draw some heat off of Magestar by having him do practically exactly what I did.

Practically what you did?  I'm confused.  Is this a major slip, where you announce you are an Elim?  Because that's what it looked like.

He just seems too adamant about this for him to not have some additional knowledge to give him reasoning for it. Even his reasoning for wanting to lynch Sheep from above doesn't back up his fervor for this lynch to the point where he's ignoring what has happened in the past in this very game. Mark was saved and a villager lynched that turn too. Fool me once, shame on me. Fool me twice though.... 

That's actually a really good point.  I don't know... Maybe we should lynch you.  You seem to be the second most obvious Elim, plus, if you were, and Sheep were a villager, you would have nothing to worry about.
Finally, there's the bit that Luckat brought up about the number of Returned left*. If Sheep did use Awakened Clothing to help try to save himself, that could've accounted for some of the actions. But, we still have to account for two Rabbits and their Breath steal . There were two Rabbit attacks and no Breath steal this last turn. If we consider that the Returned doing the Breath Steal was Roped (the most likely scenario, IMO)Why?, then that means that either one Returned is controlling both Rabbits or that there are at least 2 other Returned other than the Breath Steal-er.  This makes more sense.  I don't think that it's likely that there were more than 4 Elims to start with.  Although, Ecth was not one to start.  But theres probably one inactive.  It's just logical addition. It's just a logical deduction. So Magestar is uber, ultimately, convinced of Sheep's guilt, but is down playing the number of Returned we're likely dealing with?  Lolno.  I'm hoping against hope that there are not more than one or two active ones left.  If there is three of them then(besides the fact that we're screwed.), if they get another mislynch here and they get their kills to go through, they're pretty well set to win the following day. Seems to me like a perfect time for them to go with the same type of plan as they went with before and I think they're pushing for it pretty hard right now. If there are three of them, and they have even only two kills.

And this is just what I remember from the last day. If I went back through the entire game, I'm sure I could pull even more evidence that Magestar is a Returned, but it's been voiced by so many people by this point that I think we've all had this thought as some point in time.  You're definitely upscaling the amount of people who have said this.  So far, it's maybe been you, a few Elims, and maybe two-3 villagers.  I'll do so though, if needed though. We need to make this lynch count and I'm willing to bet on Magestar being Returned.   I'm willing to bet your leading us into a mislynch, and hoping on the fact that you can win next turn with your Elim buddies.  Plus, you seem to know way too much about the returned.

 

*Something else with this and the counting of actions. While not proof by any means, just another thing I noticed. Magestar has been very forthcoming with his day actions, but that still leaves him a night action to use; of which we know nothing about. Perhaps the reason we didn't have a Breath Steal last night is because Magestar wound up having to use both his actions this day turn and forgot that he had already used up his action for last night. 

A:  I only have one awakened clothing.   B:  I only canceled one vote.  And it was on Alex.  So, I did have a night action.  I entered the lottery.  I got enough to make a lifeless this turn.  Last night, I lied about having one to try and draw kills too/away from me.  If they thought I had a lifeless; they would pile multiple kills on me, and I would save someone.  If they did not attack me, then I would have saved a villager.

In conclusion, Meta, if you keep your vote on me, with this little time left, after having practically ignored the 'Village works together to stop Elim Vote Manips' all game, then the village should lynch you.  Honestly.  I'll be glad to switch my vote to Meta, if @Doctor12, and @Straw, will switch there's as well.  Also, it's strange that you are following the same lynch as the other Elim suspect.  Weird, isn't it?

edit; or, @luckat could feasibly switch their vote to sheep as well.

Edited September 7, 2016 by Magestar

[Straw he/him]

I am switching my vote from Sheep to Meta.

Edited September 8, 2016 by Straw

[AliasSheep]

2 hours ago, Magestar said:

In conclusion, Meta, if you keep your vote on me, with this little time left, after having practically ignored the 'Village works together to stop Elim Vote Manips' all game, then the village should lynch you.  Honestly.  I'll be glad to switch my vote to Meta, if @Doctor12, and @Straw, will switch there's as well.

 At the moment, the votes are tied between me and you.  What did you want him to do?  Vote for himself?  Or vote for you, such that the votes are less spread out than if he voted for someone who was neither me nor you.  He can't exactly be expected to vote for me if he doesn't find me suspicious, and ~10 hours is more than enough time for discussion to solifidy the lynch.

[Magestar he/him]

But @AliasSheep, would you vote for Meta?  to potentially save yourself?  I would change my vote to him if you would.  This would guarantee your safety.  Because, if you don't, once everyone else realizes I am a villager, then both you and Meta will be soft-Elim-ed.

Also;  @Doctor12, @Assassin in Burgundy, @Daniyah, @The Young Bard, what do you guys think about this?

[AliasSheep]

3 minutes ago, Magestar said:

to potentially save yourself?

Well yeah, but at the moment that isn't the situation we're in.  And if anyone switches their vote from me to Meta, then there won't be enough votes to lynch me, so I wouldn't have to vote for him to save myself, so I can continue to vote for you, who i find suspicious.

[Doc12]

I would say that so far, Luckat has not steered us wrong. She has argued for the death of Ecthelion, and if not for her Lopen would have slipped under the radar. If she is an eliminator, then it is a gambit of the highest order and I'll die laughing at how completely I've been fooled. 

I have always been uncertain about  Sheep , it was too likely a situation like mark.  That's not to say i don't suspect sheep anymore. I noticed Meta diverting  the vote from sheep. Rather i acknowledge that if luck is right and  Meta   really is an eliminator, he is very,  very dangerous.

I'm switching my vote. I pray that @Daniyah, @Assassin in Burgundy and @Master Elodin get on in time to vote. 

[Magestar he/him]

K then.  Meta.

Sheep

Sheep, you aren't helping yourself.  Go with the Majority vote.

[Assassin in Burgundy he/him]

I trust Meta. Probably not something you should do in this game, but I think he's been doing good so far. Everyone makes mistakes and votes for villagers. If you tried to lynch everyone that did, you'd still get a ton of villagers dead. Magestar.

Edited September 8, 2016 by Assassin in Burgundy

[luckat she/her]

On 9/6/2016 at 4:17 AM, Magestar said:

Ok, we need to lynch Sheep.  I think he is the last Elim, maybe there is another innactive.  Frozen, I would like to publicly apologize for gunning for you this whole game.  Oops.  

 

13 hours ago, Magestar said:

Bold mine.  I don't think that he is the last Elim, I think that he is probably one of the last two active Elim's.  There might be more innactives;  I don't know.  A big problem is not knowing who has been having there breath stolen.  So, there could be a few innactive 'Potential Returned' turned Returned by now.  It would be nice if we had more active players.  

Right. There you go contradicting what you said earlier. As I already laid out, we know there have to be at least 3 active eliminators from all the actions they have taken. (They could be lurking/not posting, but they're at least active enough to send in actions.) You're being misleading about what we know about the Returned, almost as if you don't want anyone to go searching too closely for the Rabbits. You bring up the idea that maybe two of the vote cancelations came from Sheep, but if they did, Sheep can't have a Rabbit. We are in a tight situation. We need to take out a Rabbit.

Between this and the way you've been trying to steer bandwagons and stall extra votes, I feel like you've been trying to keep the lynch away from your partners and making yourself too active for us to reasonably lynch. And it is revealing that you only have one Clothing and keep leaving one action open for the night. There's no way for us to trust that you really won the Lottery. Honestly, you're my best bet for having a Rabbit.

7 hours ago, Metacognition said:

You know, overall, I'm flattered that you think I could be such a mastermind as to think 3-4 turns ahead of time and know what kind of situations would come up and thus be able to plan for them as early as Day 2. Cause that would be what would need to happen for me to be a Returned at this point. I would need to know that the Returned's plan with Mark would fail and then buss Ecthelion and Lopen (whom I was one of the first people to vote for him, remember?). During all this, I go out of my way to make myself suspicious by calling for Mark's death and attacking people who will be looked at favorably after the results come in. And I would do all this and know that all this was going to happen just so I could make the claim that I would have to have been a pretty horrible Eliminator to do all of those things. 
Like I said, I'm flattered, but sorry, I'm not even close to that omniscient. In fact, the only reason I think that I'm still alive is due to how off a lot of my reads have been! My only good read was catching Lopen and that was mainly based on gut after finding out about Mark. 

You're right about voting on Lopen. And, hmm. The more I think about it, I might just be trying to come up with a narrative that kind of makes sense instead of following actual clues. I still have a bad feeling about you, but I'm less and less sure that's a feeling that should be followed. Either way, the idea that you have a Rabbit doesn't make much sense.

And now there's been a pileup on both Meta and Magestar. The both seem suspicious to me. But overall I think Magestar is more suspicious than Meta. And he's more likely to have a Rabbit. So that's where my vote will go for now.

Vote Tally:
Magestar (4): Sheep, Meta, Assassin, Luckat2
Meta (3): Luckat1, Straw2, Doctor2, Magestar2
Sheep (0): Doctor1, Magestar1, Straw1

No Vote: Elodin, Daniyah, Bard

@Master Elodin @Daniyah @The Young Bard Make sure you all vote. We don't want the vote to be this close.