SirVarrock he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Hello there. I was basically just lurking around the forums until the shardhunt made me get an account, and so I thought I'd post my first theory. Basically, I've been thinking that we know that Hoid has lightweaving\can lightweave, and the only reference to lightweaving we have in published books is the order of Knights Radiant. I theorize that it might be something similar to what Szeth is, what with his powers of a Windrunner, yet not being one. Another thing that I think supports this is the fact that the illusion surge is called just that, nothing related to light or weaving. So, any thoughts? If this has already been posted, I apologize, but my phone is practically my only connection to the internet, and not the best way to search through the forums. Also, can anyone tell me how to get my first tag in the thread title? I read about how to do it somewhere, but I've forgotten.
Awesomeness Summoned he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Well it's also known that Hoid worldhops through shadesmar. If he can enter shadesmar at will, it seems likely he can soulcast too
Aonar he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Not necessarily. We know that Hoid is not from Roshar, (he's from Yolen) and we know that he learned how to Lightweave while he was still on Yolen. (Check out the Liar sample chapters if you want to know how we know.) He still might be able to Soulcast, but even if he can it probably isn't directly related to his ability to Lightweave. 3
SirVarrock he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Author Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Seems reasonable, but I'm still not entirely convinced that you need to visit Shadesmar every time you Soulcast. Edit: I've read those sample chapters, but they are unpublished, and for all we know it's the same sort of system. Edited January 22, 2014 by SirVarrock
Mysty she/her Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Hoids lightweaving is from Yolen, not from Roshar (see the coppermind under his abilities, http://coppermind.net/wiki/Hoid). Since he already has an illusory magic skill, if he has aquired Rosharan surgebinding, why would he pick the illumination surge? Wouldn't that be redundant?
Aonar he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 We know that Hoid's lightweaving and and Shallan's (eventual) lightweaving are not exactly the same thing, but since the do similar things, they work in similar ways.
Vortaan he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Also, Hoid seems more interested in portable systems than ones that need the power source to be regular. Soulcasting needs Stormlight, and you're not going to find that in the Cosmere at large.
SirVarrock he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Author Posted January 22, 2014 I actually read the coppermind pages about Hoid and Lightweaving before posting, and didn't see any citations on Lightweaving. I read the entire interview that was linked to a couple posts up, and Brandon seems a little ambiguous as to whether it's the same system, or a similar system. As I recall, Hoid had a scroll containing the secret of Lightweaving in the sample chapters, so would it be possible that it was instructions for how to jury-rig the Roshar Lightweaving to work for Hoid?
WeiryWriter he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I actually read the coppermind pages about Hoid and Lightweaving before posting, and didn't see any citations on Lightweaving. I read the entire interview that was linked to a couple posts up, and Brandon seems a little ambiguous as to whether it's the same system, or a similar system. As I recall, Hoid had a scroll containing the secret of Lightweaving in the sample chapters, so would it be possible that it was instructions for how to jury-rig the Roshar Lightweaving to work for Hoid? Now, I haven't actually read the Liar sample chapters but I don't think so. Liar takes place pre-Shattering, so Surgebinding, and Rosharan-Lightweaving, wouldn't exist yet.
loganmathewjohnson Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 (edited) Hmmmm. So, I just found the Liar chapters.... :D :D!!!! But does it really take place pre shattering? EDIT: It would have to. What am I saying?? Edited January 22, 2014 by loganmathewjohnson
SirVarrock he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Author Posted January 22, 2014 Now, I haven't actually read the Liar sample chapters but I don't think so. Liar takes place pre-Shattering, so Surgebinding, and Rosharan-Lightweaving, wouldn't exist yet. Yeah, forgot about that. Could an argument be made for a possible similar system because technically all the shards would be on Yolen if Adonalsium was unshattered?
Oudeis he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Hey, if there are going to be spoilers for unpublished works in this thread, is there a way some sort of warning could be put on it for those of us who haven't read them and don't want to know what happens?
Aonar he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Yeeeesssss... but although the magic would be similar, it wouldn't be gained through a spren bond, and so most likely wouldn't be paired with the ability to soulcast. @Darnam: It does say that you don't have to put spoiler tags in this forum, but these aren't really bad spoilers anyway, all we actually say is that Hoid learns to lightweave on Yolen.
Oudeis he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I was under the impression that there was a forum-wide rule on unpublished works, but I could be mistaken.
Morsk he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I thought things in the Verified Locations for Unreleased Books thread were okay? But things people have to email Brandon for or check out of BYU aren't?
Aether he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 I know you do not like spoilers, Darnam, but the ban on discussing unpublished works does not include released samples, as Morsk suggested. It is more aimed at White Sand and Aether of the Night.
loganmathewjohnson Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Haha... What is Aether of the Night? Wait! Is it a Cosmere novel where Hoid meets a List making assassin?
Aether he/him Posted January 22, 2014 Posted January 22, 2014 Haha... What is Aether of the Night? Wait! Is it a Cosmere novel where Hoid meets a List making assassin? Um, no. At least not from what I remember. I cannot really say I was able to find any likely cameo by Hoid. Aether of the Night is btw an unpublished (and will probably stay that way) Cosmere book.
Shardlet he/him Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I know you do not like spoilers, Darnam, but the ban on discussing unpublished works does not include released samples, as Morsk suggested. It is more aimed at White Sand and Aether of the Night. Also includes Brandon's Thesis novel, Dragonsteel.
Aether he/him Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 Also includes Brandon's Thesis novel, Dragonsteel. Yeah, I forgot that one. Thanks, Shardlet.
Quiver he/him Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I spent all day thinking that this topic was about Hoid being able to soul stamp. I feel dumb... Anyway, I don't think he can soul cast. It's just a gut feeling though. Actually, I suppose it's possible he might have the Soul casting equivalent from Yolen. Honour/Cultivation seem to have taken or at least based their Lightweaving system on that one, so I suppose it's not unreasonable to suggest he could do the rest of their things.
el_warko he/him Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I've always assumed (and you all know what that means) that Hoid was the Pug of the Cosmere.
Quiver he/him Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I've always assumed (and you all know what that means) that Hoid was the Pug of the Cosmere. This topic... again, I was about to misread and reply to that with how much I hated Macros the Black. Maybe the later trilogies redeemed him, but A Darkness at Sethanon left me completely uninterested in reading another damnation book of that series.
skavoovee Posted January 23, 2014 Posted January 23, 2014 I've always assumed (and you all know what that means) that Hoid was the Pug of the Cosmere. Haha yes yes yes This topic... again, I was about to misread and reply to that with how much I hated Macros the Black. Maybe the later trilogies redeemed him, but A Darkness at Sethanon left me completely uninterested in reading another damnation book of that series. I read up through the Riftwar Legacy books and really enjoyed them, give them another go if you've the time.
Unknowingly he/him Posted January 24, 2014 Posted January 24, 2014 What does the "Pug" of the Cosmere mean?
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