Blackhoof Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Actual timetravel, no matter for how short or who the "warging" victim is, has never been seen before in the Cosmere, that we know of. The idea that Honor, and therefore all Shards, can enable people to timehop? That's massive! I'd say its more like an animus, than actually altering the past. 1
Argel he/him Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Has Brandon published anything with time travel to the past in it?
Toaster Retribution he/him Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Hopefully it is not timetravel. Its very hard to do time travel in a good way unless the entire story is built around it (like Back to the Future).
Blackhoof Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 And why wouldn't Odium abuse the rust out of it if Shards can do time-travel? Or Ruin, for that matter? Or any of the Shards that have goals.
+Lewis Nethur He/Him Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Maybe "time-travel" was a bad way of describing it on my part... 13 hours ago, Blackhoof said: Actual timetravel, no matter for how short or who the "warging" victim is, has never been seen before in the Cosmere, that we know of. The idea that Honor, and therefore all Shards, can enable people to timehop? That's massive! I'd say its more like an animus, than actually altering the past. "Warging" more accurately captures what I was trying to describe (even if it's not a cosmere term) but I'm no longer certain I support that theory after reading through these other posts. The power could be something specific to Honor, or something he accomplished only with Cultivation's help. As to why Odium wouldn't abuse the power, if he even has it or is aware it's possible, Honor doesn't have very good control over it; he pretty much admits he's just firing from the hip in a last ditch effort to affect the war. The "animus" explanation isn't a bad one, it could be that Honor is pulling Dalinar partially into the cognitive realm, where he is literally interacting with the living memory of what happened that was ingrained in the land. This would explain why characters in the vision are able to respond to him dynamically without some kind of time-hopping; interestingly, if this turns out to be correct, it could imply that Dalinar could escape/end a vision if he started acting way too far out of character (attacking people, telling them he's from the future, ect.) Further, it would allow people to experience very nearly the same visions, assuming they played along to some degree. I think a really good question for Brandon would be: "what would have happened if Dalinar had died in his vision while fighting the Midnight Essence?" 2
Blackhoof Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 It seems like a strange choice of vision for Honor to give, since most people would have died before even meeting the Radiant and seeing anything but the Essence. Perhaps Honor knew/hoped that whoever received the visions was a capable enough warrior to survive?
Pathfinder Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 18 hours ago, SamsonSeaBorn said: o·di·um noun general or widespread hatred or disgust directed toward someone as a result of their actions. Going off the definition I'd say that killing is only a reaction to what odium wants, How about making extreme xebophobes out of anything he comes in contact with, Mark humans hate humans sure sounds good but also make humans hate parshmen also vice versa oh but wait what about those traitorous listeners who disobeyed odium abd fled let's infiltrate them and spread more hate, but wait they disobeyed eshoni so now you make Parshundi hate Parshundi. Also side note, in BoM in one of the news paper clips there's a oddly familiar monster described. Anyone wanna bet that's a Parshundi (my guess is relayn sp) Have you read Bands of Mourning yet? Because.... Spoiler It was revealed in the end that it was actually the southerners with their masks. Brandon confirmed it
SamsonSeaBorn Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 31 minutes ago, Pathfinder said: Have you read Bands of Mourning yet? Because.... Hide contents It was revealed in the end that it was actually the southerners with their masks. Brandon confirmed it I have and well nvm then lol i must have missed it.
Pathfinder Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 11 minutes ago, SamsonSeaBorn said: I have and well nvm then lol i must have missed it. No worries. if it makes you feel any better, he has been quoted in saying he had the artist make it that way on purpose as a red herring 1
+Lewis Nethur He/Him Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 2 hours ago, Blackhoof said: It seems like a strange choice of vision for Honor to give, since most people would have died before even meeting the Radiant and seeing anything but the Essence. Perhaps Honor knew/hoped that whoever received the visions was a capable enough warrior to survive? That would be my best guess. I'd be kind of surprised if another character started having Dalinar's visions at this point though, so we may never know from in-book references
Argel he/him Posted June 23, 2016 Posted June 23, 2016 Given that Brandon RAFO'd whether Galivar's visins and Dalinar's were the same, we may get a Gavilar POV flashback.
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