asterion137 he/him Posted May 28, 2016 Posted May 28, 2016 Since Hemallurgy seems to be able to grant individuals the powers of allomancy and feruchemy, is it possible that one could use hemallurgy on a machine somehow to let it automatically use the metallic arts? If so, giving a machine steel compounding could certainly pave the way for ftl travel in the cosmere. Thoughts?
kenod Posted May 28, 2016 Posted May 28, 2016 First of all read BoM, second, does steel actually allow you to go faster than light?
asterion137 he/him Posted May 28, 2016 Author Posted May 28, 2016 I did read bands of mourning, but the box doesn't really burn allomancy itself; you burn the metals and the box just stores the effects
Master_Moridin he/him Posted May 29, 2016 Posted May 29, 2016 First of all read BoM, second, does steel actually allow you to go faster than light? I presume special relativity would still apply to steel compounding, as all it's doing is giving you more physical speed.
Eki Posted May 29, 2016 Posted May 29, 2016 I did read bands of mourning, but the box doesn't really burn allomancy itself; you burn the metals and the box just stores the effects Actually, the box seems to amplify effects too, you just have to give it an initial 'push'. Wax burns steel for just a short while to get the small airship to rise, but after that the cube seems to be able to keep the burning up for a very long time. I don't recall Wax thinking his metal reserves were being drained or anything, so it does seem like the power comes from ettmetal burning.
Yata he/him Posted May 29, 2016 Posted May 29, 2016 Actually, the box seems to amplify effects too, you just have to give it an initial 'push'. Wax burns steel for just a short while to get the small airship to rise, but after that the cube seems to be able to keep the burning up for a very long time. I don't recall Wax thinking his metal reserves were being drained or anything, so it does seem like the power comes from ettmetal burning. I think the cube needs just the activation and then it emulates the power... like "knowing"that it must use Steel allomancy instead of create a speed bubble
Eki Posted May 29, 2016 Posted May 29, 2016 I think the cube needs just the activation and then it emulates the power... like "knowing"that it must use Steel allomancy instead of create a speed bubble Yeah. Like... resonance, I guess.Marasi does something similar, when she makes a really weak speed bubble in order to prime the cube, before throwing it. When it lands, it seems to create a bubble at 'normal' strength.
Oversleep Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 Hemalurgy works by messing with Spiritweb. I don't think that machines have Spiritweb.
Nashan’Elin he/him Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 Hemalurgy works by messing with Spiritweb. I don't think that machines have Spiritweb. Well, maybe not a Spiritweb, but don't they have a Spiritual Aspect?
Yata he/him Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 (edited) Well, maybe not a Spiritweb, but don't they have a Spiritual Aspect? The Spirit Aspect and Spirit Web are the same thing and also an object has it. The problem to me is the Intent... every Magic System in Cosmere needs a Cognitive will (or Intent) to performe its magic and a automatic tool can't performe that. Edited May 30, 2016 by Yata
Oversleep Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 Yeah, the whole problem is that Hemalurgy is something like soul transpantology. While it works between humans or even living organisms in general (as we have confirmed that we can spike animals), machines are quite different. You can't exactly give a robot human arm and expect it to be able to use it.Unless we get to some really, really advanced cyborgs with sapience.
asterion137 he/him Posted May 31, 2016 Author Posted May 31, 2016 Seons or something like them could be used i guess...What if the whole machine was a duralumin metalmind or something?
Yata he/him Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 Well yes.. indeed the only "automatic tool" saw until now... uses splinter like its core and to me are they to provide some Intent.
CaptainRyan he/him Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 The problem to me is the Intent... every Magic System in Cosmere needs a Cognitive will (or Intent) to performe its magic and a automatic tool can't performe that. So, how does that work with Ettmetal? Is the intent provided by the initial Metalborn? What about Ettmetal that is activated with a priming cube? Does the intent pass from the Metalborn to the primer to the Ettmetal? For a machine the "Intent" could be provided by the creator of the machine. I.e. The machine was created by a person with the Intent of making a machine to mimic Allomantic/Feruchemical abilities?
Yata he/him Posted June 1, 2016 Posted June 1, 2016 So, how does that work with Ettmetal? Is the intent provided by the initial Metalborn? What about Ettmetal that is activated with a priming cube? Does the intent pass from the Metalborn to the primer to the Ettmetal? For a machine the "Intent" could be provided by the creator of the machine. I.e. The machine was created by a person with the Intent of making a machine to mimic Allomantic/Feruchemical abilities? Of course I can't be sure but I think is the Initial Metalborn who provide Intent. Maybe the creator may provide the Intent to a machine.... but I think that the machine have to be always after that... you can't have a turn off/turn on at will... or someone have to put again Intent. Maybe in some way the Scadrial may discover a way to turn some MIst in Splinter but I am unsure about the factibility
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