Paladin Brewer he/him Posted May 19, 2016 Posted May 19, 2016 Has there been any WoB on why only those with Terran blood can use Feruchemy?
Oversleep Posted May 20, 2016 Posted May 20, 2016 Well, it's because they have the right genes. Feruchemical blood, if you will.The real question is how did the first Terrisans obtain Feruchemy?
Bugsy he/him Posted May 20, 2016 Posted May 20, 2016 It's largely based on their sDNA, which works similarly to DNA inheritance. As Oversleep said, the biggest question now is how it became part of the sDNA in the first place
RenegadeShroom Posted May 20, 2016 Posted May 20, 2016 As far as I'm aware, there's no WoB about why only the Terris had the Feruchemy gene, but if I had to guess, I'd say that their proximity to Ruin and Preservation's shardpools before Rashek's ascension might have something to do with it? 6
Ari he/him Posted May 21, 2016 Posted May 21, 2016 Maybe Terrispeople have a culture that's in balance between Preservation and Ruin, which has given them the sDNA to use Feruchemy? We don't really know enough about how Initiation works in general to make a call yet, so it's wide open for speculation. Has there been any WoB on why only those with Terran blood can use Feruchemy? FYI, Terra is Latin for Earth, and thus "Terran" is an adjective meaning of or from Earth, which doesn't exist in the Cosmere. You might want to be clear that you're talking about Terris blood.
Yata he/him Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 (edited) I am not a huge fan of "raise between the Shardpools" as Feruchemy's Origin. After all after Rashek's Ascension the relative position of the Shardpools didn't change... they are still pretty near... and after 1000 years nobody began to develop Feruchemy. The Nobles are quite resistant to this, but Ska are fertile terrain for magic. Edited May 23, 2016 by Yata 1
Oversleep Posted May 23, 2016 Posted May 23, 2016 I am not a huge fan of "raise between the Shardpools" as Feruchemy's Origin. After all after Rashek's Ascension the relative position of the Shardpools didn't change... they are still pretty near... and after 1000 years nobody began to develop Feruchemy. The Nobles are quite resistant to this, but Ska are fertile terrain for magic. Well, evolution takes much more time than 1000 years.
Lirins hand Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 Wasn't it intimated somewhere that the Terris people are not original Scadrians? Ruin and Preservation got together and created themselves a nice little planet** and people to populate it but I seem to remember that the Terris people came later or were at least not part of that first phase of creation. They seem to have always kept themselves separate from the rest of Scadrial, even pre-TLR. Although they were involved in the world, keeping everything at arm's distance. Or it was a theory - having trouble finding the thread now. **or terra-formed an existing planet.
kaladamSB he/him Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 My theory was that when Preservation told the Terris people the prophecy of the Hero of Ages, he also took away his extra piece of Preservation inside them, making them 1 part Preservation and 1 part Ruin, and causing them to be able to manifest feruchemy. No evidence what so ever to support this.
teknopathetic he/him Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 I have a reddit message WoB stating that Feruchemy was more of a gift than an accident for the Terris population. he also said he would expand on this in later books.
Eki Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 My theory was that when Preservation told the Terris people the prophecy of the Hero of Ages, he also took away his extra piece of Preservation inside them, making them 1 part Preservation and 1 part Ruin, and causing them to be able to manifest feruchemy. No evidence what so ever to support this. The extra bit of Preservation is what allows for sentience, so I don't think this could be it.
Yata he/him Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 The extra bit of Preservation is what allows for sentience, so I don't think this could be it. More likely he may gived to them some "extra ruin". Well, evolution takes much more time than 1000 years. Sure but if I don't rememeber wrong Scadrial itslef can't have more than 10000 years old (if Ruin and Preservation just after the Shattering created the planet) therefore also the original Terrismen have very little time for the Evolution's Standards. 2
Oversleep Posted May 24, 2016 Posted May 24, 2016 Sure but if I don't rememeber wrong Scadrial itslef can't have more than 10000 years old (if Ruin and Preservation just after the Shattering created the planet) therefore also the original Terrismen have very little time for the Evolution's Standards. Rusts, I forgot that Shattering gives as a timeframe. Since Shattering was "thousands of years ago" and not even millions, then we can safely throw the Shardpools proximity argument away... unless... Shardic radioactivity! They got radiated with Investiture! Both of them, so BAM, Feruchemy! Mutations are going faster in that cases!
RenegadeShroom Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 Ruin's shardpool was moved beneath the Pits of Hathsin during Rashek's ascension, which is why the atium forms there, so I don't believe that the idea is invalidated by people in Luthadel not being born with Feruchemy, since both pools are no longer nearby. IMO this still makes the combined influence of both shardpools as good an explanation as any for the Terris people having the Feruchemy gene!
Paladin Brewer he/him Posted May 25, 2016 Author Posted May 25, 2016 I like the theory that the Terris are not native to Scadrial, though, it makes it more difficult to explain why they have feruchemy......but, might help explain why Hoid went out of his way to help them when they were being slaughtered, perhaps he knows where they are from / have some relation.
Yata he/him Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 (edited) Ruin's shardpool was moved beneath the Pits of Hathsin during Rashek's ascension, which is why the atium forms there, so I don't believe that the idea is invalidated by people in Luthadel not being born with Feruchemy, since both pools are no longer nearby. IMO this still makes the combined influence of both shardpools as good an explanation as any for the Terris people having the Feruchemy gene! The pits are there also before Rashek... they was "build" by Leras near Ruind Shardpool to put the Stolen Investiture in the Atium cycle. In the end the Pits and the Well weren't further after Rashek's Ascension (map)... both of them are in a very limited region...Also in the ancient Terris they weren't much near... After all the Hero have to make a long and tiresome journey to reach the Well Edited May 25, 2016 by Yata 1
CaptainRyan he/him Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 After all the Hero have to make a long and tiresome journey to reach the Well The Hero was not from Terris so it makes sense that he would have to make a long journey... to Terris. The Hero (Alendi) used Terris people to guide/help because they were familiar with the area (remember Rashek and his friends were originally hired to help with the pack animals and such). I do not know if being close to Ruin's pool affected the Terris people but it seems, at least anciently, the Terris people might have been geographically nearby Ruin's shardpool.
RenegadeShroom Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 The pits are there also before Rashek... they was "build" by Leras near Ruind Shardpool to put the Stolen Investiture in the Atium cycle. In the end the Pits and the Well weren't further after Rashek's Ascension (map)... both of them are in a very limited region...Also in the ancient Terris they weren't much near... After all the Hero have to make a long and tiresome journey to reach the Well They do seem to be pretty close together in ancient Terris. According to Alendi, when his expedition comes across the black lake -- which is on the surface, not in a cavern like the Pits of Hathsin -- in the mountains, they're drawing close to the Well of Ascension. We know that the lake is Ruin's shardpool, which seems to place the two shardpools closer together than they are afterwards. Granted, the exact distances in both cases aren't really mentioned, so this is pretty much a lot of guesswork, but given that the Final Empire would be a fairly large place, the Pits of Hathsin don't seem to be that close to Luthadel, at least not IMO?
Yata he/him Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 They do seem to be pretty close together in ancient Terris. According to Alendi, when his expedition comes across the black lake -- which is on the surface, not in a cavern like the Pits of Hathsin -- in the mountains, they're drawing close to the Well of Ascension. We know that the lake is Ruin's shardpool, which seems to place the two shardpools closer together than they are afterwards. Granted, the exact distances in both cases aren't really mentioned, so this is pretty much a lot of guesswork, but given that the Final Empire would be a fairly large place, the Pits of Hathsin don't seem to be that close to Luthadel, at least not IMO? He moved the Earth around but the Perpendicularity position is quite the same... for example the Black Lake was on surfice and the Well on an high mountain .... after Rashek instead the Black Lake was in the deep and the Well quite in the surfice.... Probably He simply added earth to hidden both of them
natc Posted May 29, 2016 Posted May 29, 2016 Well technically the Well was in the basement, but yeah it's relatively lower than it used to be.
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