ParadoxicalZen he/him Posted May 25, 2016 Posted May 25, 2016 That's why there are 10 Orders and not one. Honour (like all Shards) has a number of interpretations I.e what does it mean to be Honourable/have or act with Honour, as demonstrated by each Order's different Oaths. Simply put, each order sees a different journey to a the destination. 1
Lurky McLurkerson he/him Posted May 26, 2016 Posted May 26, 2016 Maybe we can look at it as a convergence of the KR's individual perception as well as the perception of the Spren in the Bond. Syl certainly had opinions about these various things. 1
King Krooked Posted May 29, 2016 Author Posted May 29, 2016 No offense intended, and it is an interesting sidebar,but back to my original topic. What got me started thinking about it is the fight between Kaladin and Szeth. Szeth was cut through the neck, and his eyes burned out. And the dropped Honorblade didn't disappear. He was completely dead. I didn't really pick up on it until my 3rd re-read. So if he could be brought back via fabrial, I see no reason why Ym would truly be dead. He didn't even get it through the spine, just the chest. 2
Guest Posted May 29, 2016 Posted May 29, 2016 No offense intended, and it is an interesting sidebar,but back to my original topic. What got me started thinking about it is the fight between Kaladin and Szeth. Szeth was cut through the neck, and his eyes burned out. And the dropped Honorblade didn't disappear. He was completely dead. I didn't really pick up on it until my 3rd re-read. So if he could be brought back via fabrial, I see no reason why Ym would truly be dead. He didn't even get it through the spine, just the chest. I do not think anyone truly disagrees it would have been impossible to bring back Ym, it simply seems highly improbable. Narrative-wise, it makes no sense to have "yet another character" who appears death only to have "magically survive". One is fine, two is pushing it, three would diminished the quality of the story, so to speak. Ym' goal into the story was to die. He was to show us how Nale hunted surgebinder and how he twisted their past into finding the appropriate justification to kill them. In order to truly fear what he could do, Nale had to, at least, succeed once. Hence, Ym's purpose, as a character, apart from giving us insight onto the Iri culture, was to be killed. We, the readers, needed to know Radiants can die. We also needed to know Nale is dangerous. Oh and we needed to know there were more than one knight per orders, because this was an assumption most readers were going by. Ym has no further purpose into the story, hence him surviving, while not technically impossible, is incredibly improbable.
Eki Posted May 29, 2016 Posted May 29, 2016 (edited) No offense intended, and it is an interesting sidebar,but back to my original topic. What got me started thinking about it is the fight between Kaladin and Szeth. Szeth was cut through the neck, and his eyes burned out. And the dropped Honorblade didn't disappear. He was completely dead. I didn't really pick up on it until my 3rd re-read. So if he could be brought back via fabrial, I see no reason why Ym would truly be dead. He didn't even get it through the spine, just the chest. He was dead yes, but his soul hadn't departed / his brain still had enough activity when he was revived, seconds later. Unless Nale himself revived Ym, I don't think anyone else would be able to. Nale wouldn't let them, he knows what Surgebinding can do. (Also, it seems like Honorblades work slightly differently from other shardblades. When Taln collapses, his Blade (presumably his Honorblade) stays on the ground as well) Edit: the possibility that Nale did revive him is interesting though. Maybe a Nahel bond breaks before a soul departs, so be didn't have to kill them altogether I don't think that fits with Nale's personality though. Edited May 29, 2016 by Eki
DreamEternal Posted May 30, 2016 Posted May 30, 2016 Edit: the possibility that Nale did revive him is interesting though. Maybe a Nahel bond breaks before a soul departs, so be didn't have to kill them altogether I don't think that fits with Nale's personality though. Or methods. If he was not killing surgebinders, he wouldn't have to find crimes punishable by death sentence to hunt them down. Hell, many would probably be willing, if convinced their powers were dangerous to Roshar.
Pathfinder Posted May 31, 2016 Posted May 31, 2016 Then there is the fact of the re-write of the scene where Szeth was not "beheaded". He just fell a long long long way lol.
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