Oudeis he/him Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 "I would like to know... Ialai?" His wife started, looking toward him. "Is all well?" "I was merely thinking," she said, seeming distant. "About the future. And what it is going to bring. For us." "It is going to bring Alethkar new highprinces," Sadeas said." Distracted woman making vague comments about the future, specifically "for us" to an oblivious husband... this has the "I'm trying to tell you I'm pregnant" trope written all over it. My buddy tweeted Peter asking, is Ialai pregnant? The response was "Hmmm." So, non-committal deflection, nothing really to be gained by that. I am, however, convinced. I think Ialai is pregnant with Torol's heir. 10
Titan Arum Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 I like this theory. I wonder if any potential Sadeas heir could be important in the second set of Stomrlight Archive books? Especially if it's about their legacy and future.
Eki Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) I like this theory. I wonder if any potential Sadeas heir could be important in the second set of Stomrlight Archive books? Especially if it's about their legacy and future. I guess it depends on how long Brandon decides the break between sets will be. If it's only 10 years or so, they're probably not going to be a very active character, at least. In either case, I'm sure Ialai will be very dangerous for the main characters in the future, heir or no heir... Edited March 30, 2016 by Eki
AerionBFII he/him Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Maybe she's been making time with the Chull driver? That's a good point about Lalai though!! I have been thinking since my first read there has been a mention of his heir to his Princedom..The other Highprinces who sided with Sadeas or the remaining unhelpful Highprinces would need somebody to rally behind against the King because lets face it.. their not going to make uniting Alethkar easy. I can't imagine Thanadal or the other Highprinces uniting behind Lalai and Amaram might be a possibility but he was recently disgraced and they outrank him. So im curious about if he has no heir who gets the Princedom?
Hurricane_Privileged Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Maybe it fits in with this death rattle? Always wondered whether the 'child' was a literal child or more symbolic. “I hold the suckling child in my hands, a knife at his throat, and know that all who live wish me to let the blade slip. Spill its blood upon the ground, over my hands, and with it gain us further breath to draw.” —Collected on Shashanan 1173, 23 seconds pre-death, by the Silent Gatherers. Subject was a darkeyed youth of sixteen years. Sample is of particular note.[23] 1
Patar he/him Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Well knowing how manipulative and cruel Sadeas and Ialai are, anybody want to take guesses on the child's name? I'm thinking Joffrey. 8
DreamEternal Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 I'm thinking Joffrey. Not blasphemous enough.
WayneSpren he/him Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Well knowing how manipulative and cruel Sadeas and Ialai are, anybody want to take guesses on the child's name? I'm thinking Joffrey. I laughed so hard on this. Joffrey would be a fitting name for Sadeas' offspring.
KidWayne he/him Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) Not blasphemous enough. Jorofforoy (since the j/y consonants appear to work similar to the c/k consonant in English) Edited March 30, 2016 by KidWayne
Ardjet Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Oooooohhhh man. I hadn't thought about this. Yeah, there could be some serious hate and malice directed at Adolin once Ialai finds out. No way she'll let that go. Probably raise her child to be an instrument of vengeance against Adolin.
IndigoAjah he/him Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 I guess it depends on how long Brandon decides the break between sets will be. If it's only 10 years or so, they're probably not going to be a very active character, at least. In either case, I'm sure Ialai will be very dangerous for the main characters in the future, heir or no heir... 15 years, isn't it?
AerionBFII he/him Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Well knowing how manipulative and cruel Sadeas and Ialai are, anybody want to take guesses on the child's name? I'm thinking Joffrey. Just through my head back and laughed maniacally at this. +1 Not blasphemous enough. Joffery and Ramseys Love Child. Ramfery.
Random Observations R Me Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Or, just to make it play along with the whole "rise above the darkness" theme of the series... maybe the kid ends up as a Knight Radiant... Not all of them are as nice and shiny as Kaladin.
Eki Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 15 years, isn't it?I think Brandon hasn't fully decided yet (at least he was undecided before, maybe that's changed), but it could be 15 too.If it's 15 years, then the heir could be a more active character for sure.
DreamEternal Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Kaladin the Gloombringer is considered... nice and shiny? And Dalinar "Totally not making the king my puppet" Kholin? And Shallan... I don't see what would change if Torol's heir joined their ranks, in terms of niceness. 2
IndigoAjah he/him Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Pretty sure Radiants can't possibly be TOO shiny 1
Random Observations R Me Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) Kaladin the Gloombringer is considered... nice and shiny? And Dalinar "Totally not making the king my puppet" Kholin? And Shallan... I don't see what would change if Torol's heir joined their ranks, in terms of niceness. I wasn't so much referring to his personality as opposed to Kal's purpose. His paladinian state of being. The "I will protect people because it's right, because it is right." I see your point, though. Edited March 30, 2016 by Random Observations R Me
Rasarr she/her Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Pretty sure Radiants can't possibly be TOO shiny Well, shining is part of their job description. Though I would like to see Joffreyerffoj joining Knights Radiant, if only to see Ialai tearing her hair out in despair. Seriously, though, I suppose Ialai may try to groom the kid to be Adolin-hate-machine, with intention of killing the man later... or something. This would have a huge chance of backfiring, though - Desolation is up and running, Radiants are being reborn, for all Ialai knows the world in 15 years will look completely different, up to complete destruction of Alethkar as a distinct nation. While foresight doesn't really seem to run in Sadeas veins (see: what Torol said that prompted Adolin to off him), this does seem a tad far-fetched. I mean, would Ialai actually play a fifteen-or-more years scheme just to get back at the man? ...wait, who am I talking about. Of course she would.
ecohansen Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 I always read the OP passage as Ialai seeing that Sadeas' ship was sinking, and warning him that she was going to take her spy network elsewhere. I think she could very easily wind up thanking Adolin for taking Sadeas off her hands, and maybe even team up with him. Although now I see that pregnancy is definitely at least as likely as a breakup warning...
Guest Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Good theory, but wouldn't Ialai be slightly too old to carry a child?
IndigoAjah he/him Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 Good theory, but wouldn't Ialai be slightly too old to carry a child? With the slight variation from what we would recognise as humans on Roshar, who knows?
Titan Arum Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 maxal, do we have any indication of her age? I wouldn't be surprised if she is many years younger than Sadeas. We know that Shallan is 17 or 18 (born in 1156) and that Adolin is roughly 24 (born in 1150), which is a 6 year difference. Nobody bats an eye at their age difference. Seems like women marrying older men may be common. Also, if women can have children in their 40s here, what's stopping her if she's that old as well?
AerionBFII he/him Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 I wasn't so much referring to his personality as opposed to Kal's purpose. His paladinian state of being. The "I will protect people because it's right, because it is right." I see your point, though. Lol after a long hard struggle with his murderous urges...
Guest Posted March 30, 2016 Posted March 30, 2016 (edited) With the slight variation from what we would recognise as humans on Roshar, who knows? This is a fun one as the majority of people assume Rosharian humans are older than their book age due to year length thing-y... If this theory is real, then it makes the idea of Ialai being pregnant even less plausible, not more maxal, do we have any indication of her age? I wouldn't be surprised if she is many years younger than Sadeas. We know that Shallan is 17 or 18 (born in 1156) and that Adolin is roughly 24 (born in 1150), which is a 6 year difference. Nobody bats an eye at their age difference. Seems like women marrying older men may be common. Also, if women can have children in their 40s here, what's stopping her if she's that old as well? Well, we don't know Ialai age... Adolin is not 24, he is 23 and he is considered abnormally old for not to be married. Years of birth is a misleading information: Adolin could have been born on December 31th of year 1150 and Shallan could have been born on January 1st of year 1156 which would shrink their age difference to 4 years.... Not to say this is the case, but I am simply mentioning the danger to read years and extrapolate age difference from them. Also, Adolin is practically a desperate case which is likely why nobody bats an eye at the age difference... There is nobody left his age for him to marry. It can thus be assumed the greater majority of people would get married prior to that, including Sadeas. It isn't impossible she is a decade younger than him (more than that seems implausible, not impossible, but against what we know of their society), but then again, getting pregnant at 40 is very difficult, so huh why now? Why would she suddenly get pregnant when she is in her last possible days of fertility when she failed to do so previously? I should also point out the fertility of men starts to decrease at the age of 40 as well, so for an couple their age to magically create a child while having been prevented to in the past seems rather far-fetched. Why now and not before? Edited March 30, 2016 by maxal
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