godmetals and supercolliders

[ecohansen]

Since Era 2 Scadrial has electricity, we know that electrons are a thing in the Cosmere.  Therefore, we can probably assume that normal matter in the cosmere is made up of atoms, and the atoms are made up of electrons, protons, and neutrons. 

 

What about god metals?  Are they also made up of electrons, neutrons, and protons?  If they aren't, then why do they act like normal matter when they aren't being burnt?  If they are made up of electrons, neutrons, and protons, then you should be able to take some normal matter, stick it in a supercollider, and make new atoms of the godmetal (for instance, we can manufacture ununoctium by colliding californium and calcium).

 

Could you strengthen a Shard with this method?  Ruin was looking for the Atium cache to strengthen himself.  What if TLR had built a supercollider, manufactured a large supply of Lerasium, and offered it to Preservation?

 

This raises all sorts of questions.  Is Investiture conserved?  If you manufactured a godmetal, and thereby strengthened a given shard, would their increased strength come by weakening the other shards?  Or would you be increasing the total amount of Investiture in the Cosmere?

[Full Metal Rithmatist]

It also raises my favourite question

 

What an element is is determined by how many protons the core has.

 

1 is hydrogen

2 is helium

3 is lithium e.t.c

 

then HOW MANY do god metals have. if they have a unique amount then they are a universal constant and thus could come from anywhere. including places outside scadrial. Also they would have to have a VERY HIGH number of protons for them to be outside the range of being one of the already existing elements.

 

If they DO NOT have a unique amount then this means god metals are in fact just a uniquely invested form of metals that already exist.

Atium could be say Yttrium for all we know.

 

The third option is that are not formed of atoms at all and is thus even more strange.

[Voidus]

Relevant word of brandon:
 

 

 

Viper
Hah. So in Cosmere, does physics work the same way in the physical realm as it does in our world? Specifically, particle physics; and are atoms made up of protons and neutrons and electrons, and is light photons, etc?

Brandon Sanderson
Yes.

Viper
So what's at the core of an atom of Atium? Ate-teum? Also how do you pronounce it? At-teum?

Brandon Sanderson
Yes. And the matter is just normal matter, but it's wrapped in the spiritual. The Spiritual DNA [or something] is what makes it magical.

Viper
(Note: he might've said slightly more about this but I didn't write it down and I don't remember. Sorry for not bringing a tape recorder :(/> )

 

chasmfriend’s son: Is there a finite amount of Investiture?

Brandon: Yes.

chasmfriend’s son: So is Nightblood consuming it?

Brandon: Yes. Very, very slowly.

 

 

Master_Moridin

Why does Preservation fueling Allomancy not weaken Preservation compared to Ruin?

Brandon Sanderson

Because the power, once used, returns to him--much as water, after passing over a turbine, continues on in its system.

God metals are normal matter but they have a spiritual aspect too which is unlikely to be able to be produced in a supercollider.

Investiture is finite and returns so it is conserved, and arguably experiences entropy through constructs like Nightblood.

[king of nowhere]

so atium, stripped of investiture, would be another common metal or element. its difference is spiritual.

[Voidus]

so atium, stripped of investiture, would be another common metal or element. its difference is spiritual.

I don't know if it would be common but yeah. It might just be any element and the spiritual changes its properties. Kind of hard to say. Aluminium perhaps?

[Shadowfax]

I don't know if it would be common but yeah. It might just be any element and the spiritual changes its properties. Kind of hard to say. Aluminium perhaps?

 

Now that would be funny. xD Wouldn't be surprised if it was silver though, since it's not allomantically inert but can't be burned. With a twist of sDNA, burn away!

 

EDIT:

 

What WOULD be super scary is if in Mistborn era 4 scientists have discovered how to gene splice into the spiritual.... Lab-made godmetals <shudder>

Edited March 19, 2016 by Shadowfax

[Voidus]

Now that would be funny. xD Wouldn't be surprised if it was silver though, since it's not allomantically inert but can't be burned. With a twist of sDNA, burn away!

 

EDIT:

 

What WOULD be super scary is if in Mistborn era 4 scientists have discovered how to gene splice into the spiritual.... Lab-made godmetals <shudder>

Mistborn era 4 is going to be scary enough even without that, with the discovery of medallions along with hemalurgy I wouldn't be surprised if everyone on the planet could be a compounder.

So a planet full of Lord Rulers with the capability of interstellar travel. 

[Shadowfax]

Mistborn era 4 is going to be scary enough even without that, with the discovery of medallions along with hemalurgy I wouldn't be surprised if everyone on the planet could be a compounder.

So a planet full of Lord Rulers with the capability of interstellar travel. 

 

And not just any compounder, but custom-ordered compounding. Era 4 is going to be terrifying. I wouldn't be surprised if the ONLY access to alomancy and feruchemy are through medallions/science though. It's only Era 2 and the powers are already thinning out. It's been over 1300 years since the original Mistborn were created. At some point it will be bred out of society to the point of almost non-existence unless new ways of finding/manufacturing lerasium are found. It'll be interesting to see how Brandon handles this.

[Oversleep]

I don't really think that mixing the powers made them weaker - it made them more common, though. Mixing Feruchemical lines with Allomantic bloodlines would help to slow down the weakening of the Allomantic blood, but it won't stop it.

It's quite strange: On every major Shardworld magic is quite popular by itself (Sel; Roshar is one of the easiest to become magic user; Nalthis). But on Scadrial we had only one tribe of natural born Full Feruchemists and Allomancers are very rare, Snapping was hard and there were only Mistings which probably weren't strong.

Now, Lerasiumborns introduced strong Allomantic bloodlines which made Allomancy more popular and strong, but eventually it's going to breed out (after 1000 years even Mistborns were weaker than Mistings after introduction of Lerasium bloodlines; TenSoon said that back then even Soothers/Rioters could control kandra, but now even Mistborn as strong as Vin needed duraluminum, not to mention the difference in stregth between her and Elend).

But imagine world without those Lerasiumborns - Allomancy would be very rare, far rarer than for example Surgebinding.

[Master Elodin]

I want to see an Chromium misting in era 4. It would be awesome.

[ecohansen]

Huh.  So, like transubstantiation.  Communion wafers act like bread physically, but spiritually they act as the body of christ.  Wasn't atium even referred to as the "body" of Ruin somewhere in HOA?  Instead of a supercollider, I'd have to use a priest...

[Voidus]

Huh.  So, like transubstantiation.  Communion wafers act like bread physically, but spiritually they act as the body of christ.  Wasn't atium even referred to as the "body" of Ruin somewhere in HOA?  Instead of a supercollider, I'd have to use a priest...

The physical manifestation of his spiritual Investiture.

[Oversleep]

 Instead of a supercollider, I'd have to use a priest...

That line is awesome!

As for the atium, I'd say it could be a metal with impossible configuration (some combinations of protons, electrons and neutrons are impossible IIRC) but Investitural overlay keeps it in place.

[Shadowfax]

That line is awesome!

As for the atium, I'd say it could be a metal with impossible configuration (some combinations of protons, electrons and neutrons are impossible IIRC) but Investitural overlay keeps it in place.

 

Do you think it could be similar to a radionuclide (lerasium too) and the "decay" is what contributes partially to the decrease in power potency over time? There are plenty of allomantic metals that are poisonous, why not radioactive as well. Radioactivity turned Peter Parker into Spiderman... >.>

[Jondesu he/him]

Huh. So, like transubstantiation. Communion wafers act like bread physically, but spiritually they act as the body of christ. Wasn't atium even referred to as the "body" of Ruin somewhere in HOA? Instead of a supercollider, I'd have to use a priest...

That's an awesome comparison. I wonder if that was intentional or not (this is Sanderson after all).

jW