amulligan99 Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 This is just for people to discuss how allomantic compounding works. Theres a WOB that states you can compound allomancy, now I want to find out how. Anyway my personal theory is you store the attribute in the metal your currently burning. So if your store weight in iron it will feed off of the furchemical investiture instead of the actual iron making it last a lot longer. Or it could go the other way where you tap weight in iron while simultaneously burning it. Do what do you guys think, have any better suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAjah Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 What do you mean by Compound Allomancy? Do you just mean Compounding? Because isn't the point of it that it combines Allomancy and Feruchemy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAjah Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 What I want to know is whether, if I store weight in Iron, it produces Iron's normal effect as well as the Compounded weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amulligan99 Posted March 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 What do you mean by Compound Allomancy? Do you just mean Compounding? Because isn't the point of it that it combines Allomancy and Feruchemy? There is feruchemical coumpounding that ends up with more in your metal minds. Allomantic compounding would mean more power or longer lasting metal we don't know yet but I'm guessing longer lasting metal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nashan’Elin Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 I always thought that Allomantic Compunding was storing the effect of a metal in a metalmind, allowing you to tap and store Allomantic powers instead of burning metals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAjah Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 I always thought that Allomantic Compunding was storing the effect of a metal in a metalmind, allowing you to tap and store Allomantic powers instead of burning metals. Maybe. But it's unclear whether the term means that or just refers to Compounding, I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAjah Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 There is feruchemical coumpounding that ends up with more in your metal minds. Allomantic compounding would mean more power or longer lasting metal we don't know yet but I'm guessing longer lasting metal. Where does Sanderson say that, though? Because my understanding of Compounding is that it is inherently both Allomancy and Feruchemy and thus cannot really be thought of as Feruchemical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khyrindor Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 I think OP is saying that, there is feruchemical compounding, where you store an attribute in a metal, and then burn the metalmind, and then allomantic compounding, which is somehow reversed. Sanderson has said it is possible, but we don't know for sure how it's done. It is possible that you can burn pewter, and store that extra power in a pewter metalmind; thus when you tap it, you get allomantic pewter power as well as the muscular strength provided by the metalmind. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IndigoAjah Posted March 7, 2016 Report Share Posted March 7, 2016 I think OP is saying that, there is feruchemical compounding, where you store an attribute in a metal, and then burn the metalmind, and then allomantic compounding, which is somehow reversed. Sanderson has said it is possible, but we don't know for sure how it's done. It is possible that you can burn pewter, and store that extra power in a pewter metalmind; thus when you tap it, you get allomantic pewter power as well as the muscular strength provided by the metalmind. Has he? I'm trying to find the WOB but I can't... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Where does Sanderson say that, though? Because my understanding of Compounding is that it is inherently both Allomancy and Feruchemy and thus cannot really be thought of as Feruchemical The thing is, you can only power feruchemy through this, not allomancy, hence feruchemical compounding. I suspect we would need a chunk of nicrosil for this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordFlea Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 As I understand it, because allomancy is net-positive burning a feruchemical store produces a net positive affect. More bang for your buck so to speak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baby Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 (edited) So compounding is the broad term used to describe the mixing of allomancy and feruchemy. The type of compounding we've seen in the books so far involves a feruchemical burst in power, as opposed to an allomantic one. We know that this other type is possible, because of these WoB's. DYRING A coinshot able to store weight can, as you showed us with Wax push in a ridiculously powerful manner, as the weight/mass is the largest factor wich controls the push strength. I'm wondering if the same can be done with soothing(or rioting). If you where to increase your identity, that may/should increase your emotional imprint(or whatever you might call it), would your soothings/riotings become wastly more powerful in a simular way as weight makes steelpushing more powerful? And if it does, is this how the lord ruler improved his Soothing in such a spectacular fasion? BRANDON SANDERSON*Well, the Lord Ruler--don't forget--could compound any Allomancy he wanted.* That creates some crazy effects. As for what you discuss in your first question, I don't want to touch too much on Identity yet as I am saving it for later books. Talking too much here might undermine my ability to reveal interesting and cool things in books when the time is right. I like your theory, and it has merit, but I'm not going to give you a yes or a no as it delves too much into what Identity, as an attribute, can do. BRANDON SANDERSON (PARAPHRASED)I continued to ask about the Lord Ruler and his Allomantic strength. There's an upper bound to the amount of power you can get from being a savant. Brandon said that, obviously, the Lord Ruler wasn't using duralumin and Elend could only get that powerful in Soothing using duralumin. *He implied that there was a way to Compound to enhance Allomancy. (Note, we have discussed this on the forums a while back. This isn't news.)* We just don't know how it works as of now. Edited March 8, 2016 by Onceler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hemalurgist Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I'm pretty sure the Lord Rulers method of Allomantic compounding was revealed in Bands of Morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baby Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Most of that was just his innate power, not through compounding iirc. I believe we have a WoB stating that he started out as a more powerful allomancer than lerasium mistborns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amulligan99 Posted March 8, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 The thing is, you can only power feruchemy through this, not allomancy, hence feruchemical compounding. I suspect we would need a chunk of nicrosil for this. Yes that would do the trick but it doesn't fit the system. For feruchemical compounding you need to be a double (put metal here) so it would make sense for it to be the same with Allomantic compounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khyrindor Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Has he? I'm trying to find the WOB but I can't... I seem to remember it as well. It might have been in a signing thread last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Yes that would do the trick but it doesn't fit the system. For feruchemical compounding you need to be a double (put metal here) so it would make sense for it to be the same with Allomantic compounding. It isn't a system though. It is a hack used to join to separate systems together to abuse an unintended feedback loop. There's rarely any regularity towards jury rigging two things together in different combinations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 Regular Compounding refers to burning metalminds in order to make Feruchemy net-positive (that's what it is, basically). You end up with more Feruchemical charge than you stored.Reverse Compunding is a term we use to describe enhancing one's Allomancy, increasing Allomantic Strenght in the process (Lerasiumborn being stronger than regular Mistborn and so on). It is theoretised that it requires nicrosilminds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spirit Posted March 8, 2016 Report Share Posted March 8, 2016 I also wonder if it might not be tied up in the unique "effects" being twin born grants that are hinted at in the ares arcanums of the era 2 books SoS Ars Arcanum said On Scadrial, someone with one Allomantic and one Feruchemical power is called "Twinborn." The effects here are more subtle than they are when mixing Surges on Roshar, but I am convinced that each unique combination creates something distinctive. Not just two powers, you could say, but two powers. . . and an effect being full born must give a whole host of new effects 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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