Spoolofwhool Posted April 1, 2017 Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) 16 minutes ago, NamelessThirteenth said: OMG YOUR THEORY FITS!!!! barndon said that theer is a shard that just wants to survive. this could be Frost, and thats why he can exist on the same system as Odium and not be detected! plus, you kinda expect Yolen to become dystopian after the shattering so it fits!!!! Frost has been strongly implied to not be a shardholder. Edited April 1, 2017 by Spoolofwhool
NamelessThirteenth Posted April 1, 2017 Posted April 1, 2017 (edited) woops who si frost then? from the way he has been mentioned he seems important Edited April 1, 2017 by NamelessThirteenth Mistake
Weltall Posted April 2, 2017 Posted April 2, 2017 (edited) Frost is the individual with whom Hoid is exchanging letters in Stormlight Archive and he's about the only person in the Cosmere who is older than Hoid. Oh, and he's a dragon. 21 hours ago, NamelessThirteenth said: OMG YOUR THEORY FITS!!!! barndon said that theer is a shard that just wants to survive. this could be Frost, and thats why he can exist on the same system as Odium and not be detected! plus, you kinda expect Yolen to become dystopian after the shattering so it fits!!!! First, this thread was seven months dead. Just might wanna keep that in mind next time. Second, we have WoB that there three Shards in the Rosharan System, which rules out the presence of a fourth. We also have the implication that Frost isn't a Vessel and hasn't worldhopped which means that he's still on Yolen. Khriss' essays in Arcanum Unbounded makes it clear that she's studied the history of the Rosharan System and knows something about Yolen and she'd have said something if there was even a hint that the two were one and the same. Oh, and this is key: Braize is uninhabited in the Physical Realm, per AU. We know Yolen has life because Khriss points out in the present tense that life on Scadrial resembles what you will find on Yolen, minus the fain parts. Ergo Yolen is still believed to be inhabited by both normal and fainlife and cannot be the uninhabited Braize. Edited April 2, 2017 by Weltall
Pagerunner he/him Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 On 4/1/2017 at 4:52 PM, Spoolofwhool said: Frost has been strongly implied to not be a shardholder. Can you source this? I've watched this idea closely, and don't recall having seen anything either way.
Spoolofwhool Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 Just now, Pagerunner said: Can you source this? I've watched this idea closely, and don't recall having seen anything either way. I could be wrong, but I think there's a WoB which says that one of the recipients of the letter, who is not Hoid, is one of the older people in the Cosmere who is not a shard. There are also some other hints, like Hoid saying that he is now functionally immortal like it's a recent event. I'll have to try finding that WoB again.
+Extesian he/him Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 9 hours ago, Spoolofwhool said: I could be wrong, but I think there's a WoB which says that one of the recipients of the letter, who is not Hoid, is one of the older people in the Cosmere who is not a shard. There are also some other hints, like Hoid saying that he is now functionally immortal like it's a recent event. I'll have to try finding that WoB again. This is the main one I know Quote QUESTION Is Hoid a dragon? BRANDON SANDERSON Oh I will give you a RAFO card. Have you read Dragonsteel? Don’t read it, it’s bad. He is one of the oldest people in the cosmere, but he is not the oldest. The person he is writing a letter to is indeed older than he is. I don't know of anything that says he doesn't have a Shard though, there's a lot of debate about it so I'd be surprised if there has been a WoB confirming our denying it. But very happy to be proven wrong if anyone can track one down.
Spoolofwhool Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 14 minutes ago, Extesian said: This is the main one I know I don't know of anything that says he doesn't have a Shard though, there's a lot of debate about it so I'd be surprised if there has been a WoB confirming our denying it. But very happy to be proven wrong if anyone can track one down. Found it. Quote Q: We know that Hoid is really old. Is there anyone else around that same age who is not a Shardholder? A: Yes. He communicates with one of these people by a letter in one of them. Q: [inaudible] A: Not very many, let’s say that. [Source] There's also a WoB that Frost isn't a worldhopper and another that says shards transcendent the definition of worldhoppers, but could still be consider worldhoppers. 3
Pagerunner he/him Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 38 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said: Found it. There's also a WoB that Frost isn't a worldhopper and another that says shards transcendent the definition of worldhoppers, but could still be consider worldhoppers. Well, time to revise a lot of my theories. Thanks for sharing that - I had missed it.
+Extesian he/him Posted April 3, 2017 Posted April 3, 2017 12 minutes ago, Spoolofwhool said: Found it. There's also a WoB that Frost isn't a worldhopper and another that says shards transcendent the definition of worldhoppers, but could still be consider worldhoppers. Good catch Spool, I'd never seen that one. I didn't think the Worldhopper definition was decisive but that certainly is!
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