Rosharan he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Piecing together various WoBs indicates that Khriss is a member of the Seventeenth, so I'd imagine she's in contact with Frost, somehow. But her comment about Yolen being hidden is problematic, especially since there's apparently also WoB that Frost is not a worldhopper. I'm not going to claim that Khriss and Frost aren't in any form of contact but I haven't seen any proof to suggest it even though a reptile as old as Frost would be a wealth of information that Khriss would definitely be interested in. What WoBs indicate that Khriss is a member of the Seventeenth?
PallonianFire he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) That: 1) The writer of the Ars Arcana is a member of the Seventeenth Shard http://theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=632#4 http://theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1076#13(confirming it's not Hoid) 2) The writer is a woman 3) Nazh works for the writer http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/23181-ars-arcana-author-confirmed/ Edit for references* Edited March 2, 2016 by PallonianFire 1
Rosharan he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 That: 1) The writer of the Ars Arcana is a member of the Seventeenth Shard http://theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=632#4 http://theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=1076#13(confirming it's not Hoid) 2) The writer is a woman 3) Nazh works for the writer http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/23181-ars-arcana-author-confirmed/ Edit for references* Just found that link on the Ars Arcanum Coppermind page as well. That's interesting. I would think that Khriss is mostly a member for the sake of discovery and so she can use resources that the Seventeenth can offer. She doesn't seem like the person to get caught up in politics of the group or a manhunt(Hoid). Although this would also connect Frost to Khriss, I could definitely imagine her conversations with him about the cosmere. What we really need right now is a POV from a Seventeenth member after they've been recruited or a POV of their recruitment.
PallonianFire he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 What we really need right now is a POV from a Seventeenth member after they've been recruited or a POV of their recruitment. I'm really hoping that the next Secret History installment shows how Demoux joins them.
Rosharan he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Galladon or Khriss would be great as well. I imagine Khriss would need a lot of convincing and I'm interested in how they did it.
PallonianFire he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 I'd love to know the timeline of when Khriss joins up. We'll be getting POVs from her eventually, but Idk if they'll include her joining the Seventeenth.
Rosharan he/him Posted March 2, 2016 Posted March 2, 2016 Hopefully there is at least communication between her and the organization.
Rosharan he/him Posted March 6, 2017 Posted March 6, 2017 (edited) While re-reading the stormlight archive for the upcoming release of book 3 I noticed something that contributed to this theory. The first interlude in WoK is about a purelaker who meets with some foreigners(members of the Seventeenth Shard). Two of these members are confirmed to be Galladon and Demoux. They are clearly searching for Hoid(he even mentions this in his letter). Before leaving, one of the men says something that made me think and refers to Hoid as "Roamer". When I checked out the coppermind page for Hoid this known pseudonym is listed along with Drifter. These two names are the only ones that can be almost directly linked as synonyms. Considering that Kelsier named Hoid Drifter when he first met him and one of the members of this group is Demoux, someone from Scadrial and devout follower(even worshiper) of Kelsier, then I would say it's likely that they call him this because Kelsier set them upon this mission. Roamer could easily be Drifter lost in translation of the Selay language and the only person to call Hoid this name is Kelsier so why would they primarily refer to Hoid as this rather than his other more known pseudonym "Hoid"? My guess is because the first time they were told of him was by Kelsier referring to him as Drifter before he found more information(like names he uses) on him. This leads me to believe even more that Kelsier is either the leader of the Seventeenth Shard or of high enough status to order a search like this. Thoughts? Edited March 6, 2017 by Rosharan small typos. 1
The One Who Connects he/him Posted March 6, 2017 Posted March 6, 2017 11 hours ago, Rosharan said: This leads me to believe even more that Kelsier is either the leader of the Seventeenth Shard or of high enough status to order a search like this. Thoughts? I'm pretty sure that Brandon has stated somewhere that Kelsier is not in charge(question might've been "who is in charge," so could've been a RAFO) Given his meeting with Nazh & Khriss, and his interaction with the IRE, I wouldn't put it past him to be getting involved with yet another group of people who get in over their heads sometimes. About Demoux, it's a good guess given how similar the names are, but I'm not sure. We know that Demoux's wife is also in the Seventeenth Shard, but we don't know who convinced the other to join second so...
Andy92 Posted March 6, 2017 Posted March 6, 2017 Kelsier may not be the founder of the 17th Shard, but I wouldn't put it past him if he kinda hijacked it...He could also just be a leader of a certain sub-group if there are a good amount of people involved.
Rosharan he/him Posted March 6, 2017 Posted March 6, 2017 6 hours ago, The One Who Connects said: I'm pretty sure that Brandon has stated somewhere that Kelsier is not in charge(question might've been "who is in charge," so could've been a RAFO) Pretty certain every question about who leads the 17th shard has and will continue to be RAFO'd for the time being. Unless of course there are quotes stating otherwise that I'm not aware of.
+Extesian he/him Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 I like the connection and I can't refute it, but the purposes of the Seventeenth Shard do not seem to be too fit with Kel's nature. Quote QUESTION Are there requirements to join the Seventeenth Shard, and would they accept, for lack of a better term, a non-enhanced member? BRANDON SANDERSON Yes and yes. Well, um, Baon is not Invested. QUESTION Well, what would they not like? We know they don’t like Hoid, and what he’s doing, but… BRANDON SANDERSON They do like what Khriss is doing, alright? This is an acceptable thing to them. QUESTION What about when people start integrating themselves in [a] culture, is that gonna make problems? BRANDON SANDERSON They would prefer that people didn’t do that. QUESTION So not Vasher? BRANDON SANDERSON Vasher is very far from being the Seventeenth Shard! VERRRY far. [laughter] ARGENT Is it fair to say that they are a community of scholars? BRANDON SANDERSON They are a community-- well they are not all scholars, so I wouldn’t say that. I would say they are interested parties who do not want any planets to get destroyed. QUESTION So they’re the Apocalypse Guard? BRANDON SANDERSON They aren’t really able to prevent these sorts of things. They’re like...Oh what are they called in DC...But those guys are powerful though, so it’s not like that, but you can imagine it’s something like that, right? We’re watching, studying, we’re investigating and we’re trying to prevent... They’re like Starfleet right? They’ve got some Starfleet stuff right? We’re gonna go research and study these people, but we shouldn’t be involved. It’s less about Prime Directive, and more about what it’s something to do that it exacerbates the conflict between the Shards. The Shards split up for a reason, is what they think, and they should continue to be split up, and we should not dabble in bringing them back together. That does not sound to me like Kel, who is generally an even more reckless version of Vasher. I feel he's more a free agent who possibly recruits others to do his work. 1
Rosharan he/him Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 13 minutes ago, Extesian said: I like the connection and I can't refute it, but the purposes of the Seventeenth Shard do not seem to be too fit with Kel's nature. That does not sound to me like Kel, who is generally an even more reckless version of Vasher. I feel he's more a free agent who possibly recruits others to do his work. I see the logic in this reasoning and these WoB's definitely weaken the theory but I still can't see Kelsier not having an influence in the 17th Shard with the evidence(however small) that I've found so far. Kelsier has been known to use good people and their righteous intentions for his own agenda.
+Extesian he/him Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 19 minutes ago, Rosharan said: I see the logic in this reasoning and these WoB's definitely weaken the theory but I still can't see Kelsier not having an influence in the 17th Shard with the evidence(however small) that I've found so far. Kelsier has been known to use good people and their righteous intentions for his own agenda. Yep I don't disagree with this. Just because Kel doesn't align much with their philosophy, meaning I don't think he founded them, doesn't mean he can't subvert them. It's still a theory worth considering and watching for more evidence for. 1
Vissy Posted March 7, 2017 Posted March 7, 2017 Kelsier has his own group - he works from the shadows, more like, or concentrates on small things. I mean we all know he has big plans. Maybe we'll see him in Era 2 or maybe in W&W book 4?
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