Allomantic Fabrial

[Seancy]

Ok, so I've been on a Sanderson binge after doing a full listen to the Wheel of time and specifically listened to the storm light books then starting the alloy of law books.

Now let me start out with I'm no expert at all on the cosmere and just kinda stumbled into the forums here recently. I've had something rattle around my head for a while and wasn't really sure about it but after looking around here (17th shard) I haven't really run into it. In the storm light archive we seem to see the first showing of a mechanical investiture (not sure that's ness the right term but hopefully you get my gist) ala Fabrials. Now maybe I've completely missed some other example but if Fabrials or at least non sentient things can utilize investiture I feel like that should be possible across all of the cosmere. So what would an allomantic fabrial look like? Could this be the "something big" we're missing in regards to FTL? Am I a blindman picking up a hammer and looking to build a house?

(note: please don't discount the former because of the veracity of the latter)

[A Windspren he/him]

Ok, so I've been on a Sanderson binge after doing a full listen to the Wheel of time and specifically listened to the storm light books then starting the alloy of law books.

Now let me start out with I'm no expert at all on the cosmere and just kinda stumbled into the forums here recently. I've had something rattle around my head for a while and wasn't really sure about it but after looking around here (17th shard) I haven't really run into it. In the storm light archive we seem to see the first showing of a mechanical investiture (not sure that's ness the right term but hopefully you get my gist) ala Fabrials. Now maybe I've completely missed some other example but if Fabrials or at least non sentient things can utilize investiture I feel like that should be possible across all of the cosmere. So what would an allomantic fabrial look like? Could this be the "something big" we're missing in regards to FTL? Am I a blindman picking up a hammer and looking to build a house?

(note: please don't discount the former because of the veracity of the latter)

I think that there was a WoB where Brandon said that Hemalurgy could be used in machines. That would be cool; imagine seeing a Terminator-type droid with all of the magic systems.

[Seancy]

I think that there was a WoB where Brandon said that Hemalurgy could be used in machines. That would be cool; imagine seeing a Terminator-type droid with all of the magic systems.

I feel like you could find a way for a near infinite power source for that terminator with some kinda alternating coinshot/lurcher machine

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

I think that there was a WoB where Brandon said that Hemalurgy could be used in machines. That would be cool; imagine seeing a Terminator-type droid with all of the magic systems.

 

Note my post in overpowered magic combos that references lifeless with hemalurgic spikes.

 

Thing is, there are lots of instances in the cosmere of investiture being used but not directly controlled by a human. Note nonsentient awakened objects, aforementioned lifeless, aons, and fabrials. Basically, the other three major worlds in the cosmere have something like what you are talking about. But as of yet, not Scadrial.

I suppose it is quite possible that such a thing would work on Scadrial, though it wouldn't technically be a "fabrial" I would guess, it would probably be fueled on metallic investiture instead of stormlight. I can't imagine what that would look like, however, since Scadrial's magic systems are all closely linked to their user. For example, in feruchemy only the person who stored in a metal mind can access it.

Edited January 26, 2016 by Drake Marshall

[TwelfthOfSnackTime he/him]

Brandon has said that the Scadrians from the Southern continent, which we have not yet seen, rely on Mechanical Allomancy because they don't have any, or at least very very few, mistings and probably no ferrings either. For the life of me I can't picture how it will work but we shall see eventually.

I doubt it will have anything to do with Hemalurgy because, as previously said, they don't have the original Allomantic mistings to steal the trait from.

It most likely will not involve Feruchemy because the original Terris people were the only group with that ability and they were located in the far North.

Therefore the question starts out, how do we access investiture through the allomantic metals without a connection to Preservation/Harmony in the users spirit webs? Or even without a spirit web at all in this case. I have a feeling Lerisium might have a part of it due to its ability to rework a spirit web, and the fact that there was so little of it located at Preservations Shardpool compared to the Atium stache.  

Edited January 26, 2016 by TwelfthOfSnackTime

[Seancy]

Hmmm, again I'm not to sure about the specifics of Spirit webs (looks like I have some more reading to do) but it feels like "identity" factor of gold allomancy could somehow play a part in the spirit web (by tapping into its potential maybe?) so If somehow you could invest a piece of yourself into this fabrial the way someone with Breath could invest their original breath (although I guess that's a form of investiture not ness an anchor for the spirit web) Or better yet (and yes im rambling now) create a sentient fabrial using Breath that could then have its own spirit web (does Nightblood have a spirit web, cuz I know he has a biochromatic aura)

How to use/burn the metal would prob be difficult but there has now been two different worlds where the stomach/digestion (Scadrial and Lift from WoR) is involved in the investiture so maybe it can be utilized by some sort of chemical reaction.  I feel like this is the long way to say how awesome would it be to see a sentient ship that is actually a giant fabiral that can achieve FTL. Well hell, forget FTL if it can invest could you create a worldhopping ship?  heheh, a worldhopping elevator

Now my mind is racing with what 'command' do you give the sentient ship?  Go fast? Protect the crew?

[TwelfthOfSnackTime he/him]

Hmmm, again I'm not to sure about the specifics of Spirit webs (looks like I have some more reading to do) but it feels like "identity" factor of gold allomancy could somehow play a part in the spirit web (by tapping into its potential maybe?) so If somehow you could invest a piece of yourself into this fabrial the way someone with Breath could invest their original breath (although I guess that's a form of investiture not ness an anchor for the spirit web) Or better yet (and yes im rambling now) create a sentient fabrial using Breath that could then have its own spirit web (does Nightblood have a spirit web, cuz I know he has a biochromatic aura)

How to use/burn the metal would prob be difficult but there has now been two different worlds where the stomach/digestion (Scadrial and Lift from WoR) is involved in the investiture so maybe it can be utilized by some sort of chemical reaction.  I feel like this is the long way to say how awesome would it be to see a sentient ship that is actually a giant fabiral that can achieve FTL. Well hell, forget FTL if it can invest could you create a worldhopping ship?  heheh, a worldhopping elevator

Now my mind is racing with what 'command' do you give the sentient ship?  Go fast? Protect the crew?

 

 

The main problem I'm having with figuring out how Mechanical Allomancy will work is the fact that the Southern Scadrians, the people Brandon has confirmed use mechanical alomancy, don't have any Allomancers or Feruchemists to help with it. It will be a purley scientififc way of accessing Investiture.

Your idea that some sort of chemical reaction to specific metals may not be that far off. Or maybe with the advent of electricity on Scadrial that will be a part of it as well. But no matter how it is done we cannot base theories on what we already know about accessing Investiture on Scadrial. 

[DrakeMarshall he/him]

Well presumably you make some kind of contraption that is connected in some way to preservation. For obvious reasons this is difficult, since we have only seen humans be connected to preservation. However, given the fact that this world's magic is focused on metals, I am sure there is a viable system to trigger an allomantic reaction. After all, an allomancer really only funnels preservation's power through a metal they are burning. The metal shapes the power, preservation provides the power, but the human user is definitely the least significant part of the equation.

 

Hmmm, again I'm not to sure about the specifics of Spirit webs (looks like I have some more reading to do) but it feels like "identity" factor of gold allomancy could somehow play a part in the spirit web (by tapping into its potential maybe?) so If somehow you could invest a piece of yourself into this fabrial the way someone with Breath could invest their original breath (although I guess that's a form of investiture not ness an anchor for the spirit web) Or better yet (and yes im rambling now) create a sentient fabrial using Breath that could then have its own spirit web (does Nightblood have a spirit web, cuz I know he has a biochromatic aura)

How to use/burn the metal would prob be difficult but there has now been two different worlds where the stomach/digestion (Scadrial and Lift from WoR) is involved in the investiture so maybe it can be utilized by some sort of chemical reaction.  I feel like this is the long way to say how awesome would it be to see a sentient ship that is actually a giant fabiral that can achieve FTL. Well hell, forget FTL if it can invest could you create a worldhopping ship?  heheh, a worldhopping elevator

Now my mind is racing with what 'command' do you give the sentient ship?  Go fast? Protect the crew?

 

I world hopping ship would be amazing. I would love to see something like that show up in a book sometime. If the oathgates are any evidence, I am pretty sure that such a thing could be done with a rosharian fabrial, too.

[Yata he/him]

If you have some knowledge of Hemalurgy (I don' know how they may obtain it). Everytime an Allomancer are born, you "sacrifice" him and his power may use for the Society forever (in theory).

 

Of couse you need a way to stop the Decay but form other topics, someone says that a way to stop the Decay is known (but it is from books I didn't read still).

 

The Allomancy is very rare in nature but in a 1000 years and with enough people you may create a decent amount of Spike, and maybe you may use more Spike of the same type to emulate a single powerful Spike.

Edited January 31, 2016 by Yata

[natc]

Submerging the spikes in blood can apparently halt the decay much as simply spiking through the donor directly into the recipient would, though it's possible to keep with the intent that the theft process itself isn't lossless.

[Jondesu he/him]

I find it very interesting that Bands of Mourning came out the day after this topic was posted, and

helps answer the question posed.

 Definitely read it if you haven't yet (in case I even needed to say that).

 

jW

Edited February 15, 2016 by Jondesu

[Stormgate he/him]

I still am not sure how they can do long-term Allomancy without Metalborn on standby.

[Jondesu he/him]

I still am not sure how they can do long-term Allomancy without Metalborn on standby.

They have the Firefathers and Foremothers for the heat "fabrials" (do we have a name for these yet?), and I would assume the same for the others they use.  They're just much more rare apparently in Southern Scadrial.

 

jW

[natc]

I still am not sure how they can do long-term Allomancy without Metalborn on standby.

Compound nicrosil to mass-produce existing metalborn abilities as medallions and have those on standby.