KaIadin Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 As we all know, deathspren appear when someone is dying. Since they appear so be somewhat smarter than the average spren (fighting Syl when Kaladin was dying) , is it possible for someone to bond one? They may be attracted to people who either cause death, or are on the brink of death continuously. Your thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenPlague Posted January 22, 2016 Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 1st Ideal "I will die." 2nd Ideal "I will fulfill the 1st ideal." 3rd Ideal "I will die very soon" 4th Ideal "I will remain dead." 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaIadin Posted January 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2016 1st Ideal "I will die." 2nd Ideal "I will fulfill the 1st ideal." 3rd Ideal "I will die very soon" 4th Ideal "I will remain dead." 5th Ideal: "I will be dead, no matter what healing I am given" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 1st Ideal "I will die." 2nd Ideal "I will fulfill the 1st ideal." 3rd Ideal "I will die very soon" 4th Ideal "I will remain dead." Lol. Thing is, all the ten surges are accounted for by spren that form the nahel bonds in the knights radiant. So this is unlikely. And anyway, what shard are deathspren most closely related to? Interesting thought on that... They are red and black. Could they be of odium? That all aside, deathspren aren't very intelligent to my knowledge. I mean, an animal can fight, which makes it more intelligent than a rock, but not really on a human level either. Spren vary significantly in the range of power and sentience, from things like flamespren all the way to entities like nightwatcher and the stormfather, who can apparently be quite powerful in the material world without a nahel bond. If they were intelligent though, maybe you could bond with one from a near-death experience. Also, on a completely different tangent... If spren become more powerful/intelligent in the material world after forging a nahel bond... Does this mean the stormfather will become even more powerful...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoidhunter Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Announcing the rarely celebrated 11th order of knights radiant...Coffin Occupiers! (points to a corpse slumped in the corner) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 If spren become more powerful/intelligent in the material world after forging a nahel bond... Does this mean the stormfather will become even more powerful...? Maybe yes... Maybe no... The problem with the Stormfather is that he is his own category in pratice, being the soul of the storm, an aparent overseer of sprenbonds, the shadow of Tanavast, a sliver of Honor and who knows what else. His presence in the physical realm may be so great he does not benefit from a sprenbond. Or he does, but in a completely unexpected way, like becoming a giant made of thunder and pressurized Stormlight. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaeggs Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Maybe bonding with a deathspren is what causes death. Or something similar. Like the deathspren is consumed in a glorious blaze of death and goes to deathspren heaven for causing a death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ninja Yodeler Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 Would be cool if bonding a deathspren at the point of death allowed you to forsee your own death, or others near you or close(relationship-wise) to you, to possibly stop it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 I always though that that the lesser Spren "bonds" itself with someone/something when someone is "affine" with them. And this is the reason to their "spawn" in the Physical Realm in visible form. Of course this bond grant no power or sentience. And the bond is terminated when the host became lesser affine with the spren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Perhaps. Maybe deathspren have some relation to how everyone has apparently prophetic last words the moment before they die. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yata Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 Perhaps. Maybe deathspren have some relation to how everyone has apparently prophetic last words the moment before they die. Well the Death Rattle are caused by an Unmade of Odium, the Deathspren is (very probably) not an OdiumSpren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Well the Death Rattle are caused by an Unmade of Odium, the Deathspren is (very probably) not an OdiumSpren. Wait we know that the death rattle is from odium? Interesting... That does make me wonder what Taravangian is up to gathering information from this. I still think his apparent foresight bears the touch of odium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaellok Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Would be cool if bonding a deathspren at the point of death allowed you to forsee your own death, or others near you or close(relationship-wise) to you, to possibly stop it. On the subject of the Death Rattle--what if the Rattle only occurs when someone bonds a deathspren at the moment of their death? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheLerasNosed Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 What if deathspren act like Charon did for the Greeks, and they move your spirit out of the physical realm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) What if deathspren act like Charon did for the Greeks, and they move your spirit out of the physical realm? I am not sure what you mean. As far as I am aware, when people die in the cosmere, with some exceptions, they hang around in the Spiritual and Cognitive Realms for some time and then their mind goes to the final afterlife beyond the Realms and the investiture of their spiritweb gets recicled. Edited January 27, 2016 by DreamEternal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pathfinder Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 Well I have had this thought for awhile, that could be utterly and completely wrong, just the way I look at things. That wind spren are lesser spren, and honor spren are a higher version of them. Same thing with creation spren and cryptics. So then death spren would be the lesser version, and a knight would bond with a reaper spren? or a spren with the same theme, but by a different name and more fully fleshed out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 I think the "more fleshed out" versions of spren only occur with the intervention of a shard. In the case of honorspren, honor is the obvious one. Not sure about cryptics, possibly a mix of honor and cultivation though I would bet it was more cultivation than honor. Maybe if ruin traveled to roshar, a more developed version of deathspren would appear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted January 27, 2016 Report Share Posted January 27, 2016 (edited) I think the "more fleshed out" versions of spren only occur with the intervention of a shard. In the case of honorspren, honor is the obvious one. Not sure about cryptics, possibly a mix of honor and cultivation though I would bet it was more cultivation than honor. Maybe if ruin traveled to roshar, a more developed version of deathspren would appear? I think Cultivation's, or even Honor's investiture would be able to do it on itself. There is nothing inherently honorable about wind after all. Edited January 27, 2016 by DreamEternal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 I think Cultivation's, or even Honor's investiture would be able to do it on itself. There is nothing inherently honorable about wind after all. This is true... On the other hand, I doubt a shard would choose a spren that is antithetical to itself. Cultivation especially would probably not choose deathspren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) This is true... On the other hand, I doubt a shard would choose a spren that is antithetical to itself. Cultivation especially would probably not choose deathspren.If they are involved in the recicling of investiture from dead beings, they sound very aigned with Cultivation. Plus, WoB says Cultivation as a shard is very compatible with Ruin.The way I see it, Cultivation wants to change all things towards more complex forms, and Ruin wants to break down everything into simplier forms, but to build something bigger you may need to take something apart, and to take something apart you may have to build the right tool to the job. Edited January 29, 2016 by DreamEternal 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrakeMarshall Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Okay, well maybe cultivation could choose a deathspren. I don't think cultivation did, however. Unless one of the existing radiant orders does have a spren related to deathspren. We know very little about some of the orders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreamEternal Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Okay, well maybe cultivation could choose a deathspren. I don't think cultivation did, however. Unless one of the existing radiant orders does have a spren related to deathspren. We know very little about some of the orders. I don't think the shards "choose" spren, as much as that their investiture is naturaly closer to those spren types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squigy Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Also, on a completely different tangent... If spren become more powerful/intelligent in the material world after forging a nahel bond... Does this mean the stormfather will become even more powerful...? The spren who form a nahel bond don't so much become more powerful, as regain their cognitive realm form, I have a feeling that the powerful spren like him (who appear to be themselves practitionors of a form of investiture refered to as "the old magic") are likely already in their true cognitive realm form for instance, Patern manifests as his humanoid form during soulcastings and Syl apears in her humanoid form around the time that Kal speaks a new oath Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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