A Windspren he/him Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 So, as we all know, Parshendi see the Unmade as gods. The Shin worship rocks. What's the similarity? While rereading SA, I noticed this Death Rattle: I see them. They are the rocks. They are the vengeful spirits. Eyes of red. This seems to say that the rocks are alive, and not too happy. From what Szeth has told us, the spren of the rocks told them lies, namely, that the Voidbringers were gone. Could it be that the Unmade have possessed the stones, and been passing false information to the Shin?
Normad20 he/him Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 I'm pretty sure the Death Rattle refers to the Thunderclasts, which are made of stone and have red eyes. Not so sure about the Szeth thing, do you have a quote? 1
Khyrindor he/him Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 The Parshendi don't worship the Unmade, they worship Cultivation and Odium, as far as I know. They used to worship Honor until he chose the humans instead of them.
DreamEternal Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 (edited) The Parshendi don't worship the Unmade, they worship Cultivation and Odium, as far as I know. They used to worship Honor until he chose the humans instead of them.They don't worship either of those shards. As far as we know, their ancient songs mention Odium as the (un)maker of the unmade, and they don't even seem to know about Cultivation.They call the unmade theit gods, but they don't worship them either, they fear them like they should. I don't think the Listeners actualy worship anything. EDIT: And they believe the Stormfather/Rider of Storms and maybe the other intelligent spren betrayed them to the humans. Not Honor, who is never mentioned either by the epigraphs or interludes. Edited January 19, 2016 by DreamEternal 1
ParadoxicalZen he/him Posted January 19, 2016 Posted January 19, 2016 If i remember rightly, the impression was the Shin most likely worship the spren of the rocks, like when Kaladin, Tien and Hesina were discussing spren. This would corroborate with Dalinar's pure lake vision, where IIRC the unmade (whichever one it was) that was present touched the other spren and kind of corrupted it then it inhabited the Thunderclast. Although my memory's a little foggy on this exactly
A Windspren he/him Posted January 20, 2016 Author Posted January 20, 2016 But the way Szeth thinks about his situation, It seems like the Stone Shamans actually are in contact with the stones.
Patrick Star Posted January 21, 2016 Posted January 21, 2016 The Parshendi don't worship the Unmade, they worship Cultivation and Odium, as far as I know. They used to worship Honor until he chose the humans instead of them. They may not currently worship the unmade, but they definitely at least used to. Eshonai said that Gavilar wanted to bring back the Parshendi's "Old Gods", and thought that stormform would cause their "Old Gods" to focus on the Parshendi. While stuck in the chasms (during the highstorm), Kaladin and Shallan (definitely Kaladin, possibly Shallan) saw 2 unmade heading towards Narak. So the unmade are almost certainly the Parshendi's "Old Gods" (albeit probably not their "New Gods", if they have any). 1
skybreaker30 Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 I think it's feasible too believe the Unmade are the gods mentioned by Eshonai. Due too the 4th and 5th lines in the epigraph of chapter 25 of WoR. Which are: Though crafted of gods it was by Unmade hand. it implies pretty heavily that the Unmade are the gods once worshipped by the Parshendi. There gods are also mentioned when the epigraphs talk about nightform,decayform and smokeform, which have been theorized before of being some of the old forms. I also think it's true because the humans view the Heralds as gods and they have the same powers as the Radiants. Why can't the Parshendi view the Unmade in a similar light assuming they have the same powers? it certainly keeps the symmetry talked about by Jasnah and mentioned in Vorinism. In short I think it's reasonable too believe the Parshendi view the Unmade as gods just like humans view the Heralds as gods. 2
What's a Seawolf? Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 On 1/21/2016 at 8:20 AM, Patrick Star said: While stuck in the chasms (during the highstorm), Kaladin and Shallan (definitely Kaladin, possibly Shallan) saw 2 unmade heading towards Narak. So the unmade are almost certainly the Parshendi's "Old Gods" (albeit probably not their "New Gods", if they have any). Is this confirmed/which passage?
Stormgate he/him Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 The gods of the Parshendi took control of them when they entered voidforms. In an act of desperation, they all resorted to dullform rather than be subject to their gods. These gods, in fact, are likely the actual Voidbringers, using the Parshendi like mind control. 1
Argel he/him Posted July 25, 2016 Posted July 25, 2016 41 minutes ago, What's a Seawolf? said: which passage? Not sure about the confirmation, but here's the passage (emphasis not added): Quote Light came from above, too steady to be lightning. Something was glowing on the plateau. Something that moved. It was hard to see, since water streamed off the side of the plateau above, falling in a sheet before their refuge. He swore he saw an enormous figure walking up there, a glowing inhuman form, followed by another, alien and sleek. Striding the storm. Leg after leg, until the glow passed. WoR p. 876 Kindle Edition. 1
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