Oversleep Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) I believe we need some topic which would compile all the WoBs and hints and quotes and stuff we know about Taln.Taln - the one who showed up at the end of WoK Talenel - the Herald, StonesinewThey may be the same person, but for practical purposes we're gonna use these names to distinguish them. Q: Do you know the order of 6-10? (order of flashback books protagonists)A: I know whose they are but I haven't decided the order. Lift is one, Taln is one. The person who calls himself Taln.source Brandon refuses to call this person Taln. Instead he says "person who calls himself Taln". Q: Are the Heralds actually aware that Taln is back?A: Are the Heralds aware that Taln is back? Uh, you're implying that this person actually is Taln. [The smile on Brandon's face at this moment was the best, most excruciatingly awful smile ever. And we thought Peter was a tease.] Which is not guaranteed. It's not guaranteed. However, the return of the Voidbringers does indeed indicate to them, in their mind, that he would have returned.Q: So they assume because the Voidbringers are returning--A: Because the Voidbringers are returning, would be a clue to them that Taln has returned. Post what you know (with sources!), and I will add that to the main post every few days.Edit: I am going to read through this thread for information. I do not want this thread to become a place for theories, I want solid facts and quotes. Of course we can argue about their meaning, but I ask you to limit our discussion to only this, please. Edited January 2, 2016 by Oversleep 1
Stormgate he/him Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 The person who thinks that he's Taln can't be a Knight Radiant unless he is not Talenel. Talenel is a Herald. So who is this person? We might want to devote more WoBs to this. 1
Lightning he/him Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 I wonder if Brandon isn't really being coy when he says things like "the person who calls himself Taln". Perhaps Brandon is actually giving us some real information that can also be found in the books. Remember that Hoid talked about a person being taken apart and then put back together, and suggested such a person is not the same. They become jumbled. Perhaps this is what happened to Taln. He is sort of the same person, but also not... 1
Stormgate he/him Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 It's suggested that that particular quote from Hoid is referring to Adonalsium being shattered, and possibly being unable to be reformed. I honestly don't know if that's true, but since Hoid was name dropping Adonalsium at that point, it's likely that Hoid was talking about Adonalsium at the time. 2
Oversleep Posted January 2, 2016 Author Posted January 2, 2016 (edited) The person who thinks that he's Taln can't be a Knight Radiant unless he is not Talenel. Talenel is a Herald. So who is this person? We might want to devote more WoBs to this. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough: In this topic we assume that Taln (who showed up at the end of WoK and got a PoV) and Talenel (the Herald Of Almighty, Stonesinew) aren't the same person. Two separate beings. I want this topic to become sort of database about Taln. Of course, the assumption may be false, but if we gathered all the information in one place, maybe we could make something out of it. Edited January 2, 2016 by Oversleep
Patrick Star Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 We've seen quite a few crazy theories on this. My crazy idea was that "Taln" is actually Nohadon (Brandon RAFO'd someone who asked whether Nohadon was alive) Anyways, it's highly likely that "Taln" is old. Old enough to remember the Radiants and how they were established (he called Shallan one of Ishar's knights). He's also definitely strong with the force a magic user, as we saw him snatch blowdarts out of the air with Amaram. However, I don't recall if he took in any stormlight, so he may have a large amount of innate investiture (similar to a returned).
WeiryWriter he/him Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Q: Do you know the order of 6-10? (I believe it's about Radiant orders) A: I know whose they are but I haven't decided the order. Lift is one, Taln is one. The person who calls himself Taln. source So it seems that Taln is a Surgebinder... Hm. I would actually disagree with the person who annotated that quote. It looks much more likely that the individual was asking for the order the flashback sequences would be in (i.e. Lift being 6, Jasnah being 8, et cetera) rather than the Orders of those viewpoints. That's the question that Brandon is answering at least. Therefore I would not say that it is certain that "Taln" is necessarily a Surgebinder. 1
Patrick Star Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 I would actually disagree with the person who annotated that quote. It looks much more likely that the individual was asking for the order the flashback sequences would be in (i.e. Lift being 6, Jasnah being 8, et cetera) rather than the Orders of those viewpoints. That's the question that Brandon is answering at least. Therefore I would not say that it is certain that "Taln" is necessarily a Surgebinder. Yeah, I remember this WoB. It's about the PoV characters for the second 5-book arc.
Moogle Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 I had a few in this thread: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/14124-who-has-talns-blade/ And there was also this one I asked re. the possible Honorblade: Q: The man who calls himself Taln had his Blade swapped with another. Presumably, the people (or person) doing so thought he had an Honorblade.Would the people who did the swap have known if Taln did not in fact actually have an Honorblade? Could they have been taking a chance and in fact ended up with a regular Shardblade?A: This is possible. Assuming they knew just what they were trying to grab, they'd probably have figured it out very quickly.(source) Not directly related to Taln, but indirectly so.
Oversleep Posted January 2, 2016 Author Posted January 2, 2016 Thanks, Weiry. I updated my post.I also have a request:I do not want this thread to become a place for theories, I want solid facts and quotes. Of course we can argue about their meaning, but I ask you to limit our discussion to only this, please.
Patrick Star Posted January 2, 2016 Posted January 2, 2016 Also, it's highly likely that he is a "good guy" (probably not a spy for Odium, or something like that). Hoid waits for his arrival in Kholinar, and calls him an old friend.
AerionBFII he/him Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 In WOR The Taln Interlude he said: "The Gift and words. Not his. Never his. Now his." No idea what he meant but it always seemed significant to me. Also Dalinar, Elhokar and Borden three Alethi couldn't understand him when he spoke his warning but Shallan a Vaden could understand him.
Stormgate he/him Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Perhaps it had something to do with the fact she was a--we really need a name for Surgebinders who have sworn multiple oaths and aren't full Knights. Paladin? I would say squire, but that's taken.
Patrick Star Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 Perhaps it had something to do with the fact she was a--we really need a name for Surgebinders who have sworn multiple oaths and aren't full Knights. Paladin? I would say squire, but that's taken. 1st Oath - Initiate 2nd Oath - Knight 3rd Oath - Paladin 4th Oath - Sentinel 5th Oath - Elder Confirmed: the Knights Radiant are actually the Brotherhood of Steel. I'm trying to decide whether to make a joke thread entirely about this.
DreamEternal Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 1st Oath - Initiate 2nd Oath - Knight 3rd Oath - Paladin 4th Oath - Sentinel 5th Oath - Elder Confirmed: the Knights Radiant are actually the Brotherhood of Steel. I'm trying to decide whether to make a joke thread entirely about this. So their advanced fabrials are actualy relics from Yolen? Now that is interesting.
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