Oversleep Posted December 13, 2015 Posted December 13, 2015 Right after he survived highstorm, when he is seeing deathspren and listing his injuries: His perspective had been too narrow, too shortsighted. He needed to understand the army’s objectives. He watched the battle’s progress, horrified. What had he done?He needed to go back and change it. But no. He was wounded, wasn’t he? He was bleeding on the ground. He was one of the fallen spearmen. He was a bridgeman from Bridge Two, betrayed by those fools in Bridge Four, who diverted all of the archers.How dare they? How dare they?How dare they survive by killing me! We know that dying people experience somebody's POV or see the future. It seems like Kaladin here experienced one with near-death expierience, but he survived that. 1
DreamEternal Posted December 13, 2015 Posted December 13, 2015 Right after he survived highstorm, when he is seeing deathspren and listing his injuries: We know that dying people experience somebody's POV or see the future. It seems like Kaladin here experienced one with near-death expierience, but he survived that. I don't think so, it fits too well with his other thoughts. It would be a jarring coincidence if it was a Death Rattle.
VoltCruelerz he/him Posted December 13, 2015 Posted December 13, 2015 I don't think so either. I think he's just considering the perspective of everyone else. Bridge 4 survived, but made everyone else a target.
Stormgate he/him Posted December 13, 2015 Posted December 13, 2015 I don't see why there couldn't have been something that allowed Kaladin to see another's POV.
Blightsong he/him Posted December 13, 2015 Posted December 13, 2015 I don't see why there couldn't have been something that allowed Kaladin to see another's POV. Death rattles actually use up the souls investiture to power the vision. Kal's soul would have had to be basicly destroyed for a death rattle to take place.
DreamEternal Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Death rattles actually use up the souls investiture to power the vision. Kal's soul would have had to be basicly destroyed for a death rattle to take place. We don't know that for sure, you know...
Oversleep Posted December 14, 2015 Author Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) I remember there is something about deathspren. We need WoB on Death Rattles in near-death situations with the person surviving. Edited December 14, 2015 by Oversleep 1
Blightsong he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 (edited) We don't know that for sure, you know...Knowing what we know about Realmatics and what has been said about death rattles in the book ps and in WoBs we can extrapolate that.Edit: Went back and looked for a WoB related to what I am saying and couldn't find it. Take what I said with a grain of salt, but it makes sense realmatically. Edited December 14, 2015 by Blightsong
Plaeggs he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Well he was just in a highstorm, right? Maybe the stormlight in his spheres went to repairing his soul, even as he was healing from his many wounds.
DreamEternal Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Knowing what we know about Realmatics and what has been said about death rattles in the book ps and in WoBs we can extrapolate that. Edit: Went back and looked for a WoB related to what I am saying and couldn't find it. Take what I said with a grain of salt, but it makes sense realmatically. Actualy we know very little about prescience in the cosmere, only that atium can be used to look into the Cognitive Realm and that Elend saw the Spiritual Realm when he duraluminun-burned atium. And that it somehow involves the pure essence of a Shard, which is the only think that may link slightly to spiritweb comsumption. Athought I find it very unlikely that Kaladin had a Moelach-vision.
Blightsong he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Actualy we know very little about prescience in the cosmere, only that atium can be used to look into the Cognitive Realm and that Elend saw the Spiritual Realm when he duraluminun-burned atium. And that it somehow involves the pure essence of a Shard, which is the only think that may link slightly to spiritweb comsumption. Athought I find it very unlikely that Kaladin had a Moelach-vision. Atium doesn't actually let you see into the cognitive, only the spiritual. Brandon misspoke and said that atrium lets you see into the cognitive once but he corrected himself on another WoB.
skaa he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Knowing what we know about Realmatics and what has been said about death rattles in the book ps and in WoBs we can extrapolate that. Edit: Went back and looked for a WoB related to what I am saying and couldn't find it. Take what I said with a grain of salt, but it makes sense realmatically. I think you're referring to the WoR Chapter 82 Epigraph: There is one you will watch. Though all of them have some relevance to precognition, Moelach is one of the most powerful in this regard. His touch seeps into a soul as it breaks apart from the body, creating manifestations powered by the spark of death itself. Of course, Stormlight should be able to heal that (as Stormlight was able to revive Szeth in WoR), so maybe Oversleep is right. Or it could just be Kaladin's overactive imagination fueled by his guilt from what happened in the battle.
Eagle of the Forest Path he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Or maybe that bridge 2 casualty was actually the one that had the death rattle. And it was about Kaladin recovering from the highstorm, and what Kaladin experiences is a weird kind of feedback.
Stormgate he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Or maybe it was a different Unmade. So far, we know of two: The one that brings the Thrill, sort of an atium-like fighting ability coupled with euphoria, and the one that uses the Investiture of the dying to see the future. Why not another that shows you what you have done, or some such?
Blightsong he/him Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 Why couldn't it be just Kaladin? It could be, but what's the fun in that
DreamEternal Posted December 14, 2015 Posted December 14, 2015 It could be, but what's the fun in that It makes the scene more powerful from a personal standpoint, in my opinion, if it is just surprisingly rational conclusions by a dying man. Especialy considering how well it fits with him analysing his injuries and thinking about his father.
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