Full Metal Rithmatist Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) It just occurs to me that both in feruchemistry AND allomancy Pewter increases strength. using both together would already make you insanely strong AND you could compound for even more strength. I wonder if the compounding would be EVEN more effective than usual compounding since both powers already do the same thing. A pewter twinborn should be able to tear a god damnation mountain down with their hands. COuld call them say..........a Hulk Edited December 12, 2015 by Full Metal Rithmatist 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormlessFox Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Good point I have thought of that as well. However there is a downside to flaring too much pewter and exhausting yourself not sure if the compounding would counteract that. Tin is also similar (both increases senses) and if I remember correctly burns a lot slower than other metals. I wonder if you compounded tin if your reactions would be like a poor mans atium able to see a twitch in the skin or creak of a bone before they even tried to move... also a sneeze might make you go deaf if you turned your hearing up to 11. Fun to think about though =) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBambam Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Tin in Feruchemy stores a specific sense though, whereas burning tin increases all of your senses. Also, Sazed says that when he uses tin for sight he can focus on a point and see an insane amount of detail, but loses his peripheral vision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormlessFox Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Tin in Feruchemy stores a specific sense though, whereas burning tin increases all of your senses. Also, Sazed says that when he uses tin for sight he can focus on a point and see an insane amount of detail, but loses his peripheral vision. Your right you have to choose which one you are tapping at the moment. Forgot about that. Even though you can only use one feruchmically at a time you can store all of them for burning allomantically right? So I still could compound sight/hearing at the same time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Full Metal Rithmatist Posted December 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 throw in Duralumin and a few other things ( compunded duralumin oh shi- son ) And the lord ruler should of been able to punch through the god damnation planet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 (edited) I'd like to point out that Feruchemical pewter, unlike Allomantic pewter, increases your muscle mass, so tap to much and you'll be too bulky to move. Compounding duralumin would just . . . why would you want more Connection? I'm sure it has magic uses but it doesn't sound exciting to have infinite of it. And using duralumin on a burning metalmind is entirely redundant and has no benefits whatsoever. Edited December 12, 2015 by natc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oversleep Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Compounding duralumin would just . . . why would you want more Connection? I'm sure it has magic uses but it doesn't sound exciting to have infinite of it. And using duralumin on a burning metalmind is entirely redundant and has no benefits whatsoever. I think he meant Compounding nicrosil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 I'd like to point out that Feruchemical pewter, unlike Allomantic pewter, increases your muscle mass, so tap to much and you'll be too bulky to move. Compounding duralumin would just . . . why would you want more Connection? I'm sure it has magic uses but it doesn't sound exciting to have infinite of it. And using duralumin on a burning metalmind is entirely redundant and has no benefits whatsoever. Well it would release the feruchemical power faster so kinda useful if you wanted insane god-levels of a trait for a second or two but didn't have a metalmind handy. Just store for a second then Duralu-compound it. Plus Duralumin + Allomantic pewter is pretty awesome, combined with Feruchemical pewter you probably could get a fairly decent Hulk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenPlague Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Compounding pewter would turn you into an immobile mountain of muscles. Pretty useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Compounding pewter would turn you into an immobile mountain of muscles. Pretty useless. Well it'd let you never run out of strength which is pretty handy. You wouldn't be able to tap it at 1000x the rate like some other compounders do but you'd also not really need to, it's not often that you need to be that strong but being 10x stronger every now and then would be pretty helpful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgedancer Posted December 12, 2015 Report Share Posted December 12, 2015 Compounding pewter would turn you into an immobile mountain of muscles. Pretty useless. Feruchemy does protect you from the effects of tapping (Wax doesn't end up crushing himself) and given that it only really affects that one attribute (i.e. Wax gets more mass into the same body but doesn't turn more dense... somehow) those muscles should not be as hindering as normal muscles would be... maybe. Feruchemy is weird. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Sazed found it difficult to turn his neck from sheer muscle mass, didn't he? I hope you meant a second metalmind to store the burn in, because you can't duralumin burst feruchemy without any metalminds Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBambam Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Your right you have to choose which one you are tapping at the moment. Forgot about that. Even though you can only use one feruchmically at a time you can store all of them for burning allomantically right? So I still could compound sight/hearing at the same time? I'm not 100% sure you can tap two different senses at once, if you can then I see no reason why compounding like that wouldn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 You can store multiple senses at once, why not tap multiple senses at once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBambam Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 We only ever saw Sazed tap one sense at a time, that would lead me to believe you can only tap one. He specifically mentions not seeing our hearing the group of Koloss sneaking up on him in WoA. That's another reason I'd lean towards only being able to tap one at a time, if he could also tap heading while tapping sight why wouldn't he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 We only ever saw Sazed tap one sense at a time, that would lead me to believe you can only tap one. He specifically mentions not seeing our hearing the group of Koloss sneaking up on him in WoA. That's another reason I'd lean towards only being able to tap one at a time, if he could also tap heading while tapping sight why wouldn't he? The same reason Tineyes and Mistborns spend most of their effort while using tin to tune out their enhanced senses. Having super-hearing while also absorbing 50x more visual information could be distracting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBambam Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 I don't see why he had to enhance his hearing that much if he could pick and choose what to enhance. I still lean towards only being able to tap one sense per metal mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted December 17, 2015 Report Share Posted December 17, 2015 But why would you even try to enhance your hearing while using substitute binoculars powers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBambam Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 (edited) Since you lose your peripheral vision when tapping sight, to hear if someone is sneaking up on you? Like,I don't know,a group of Koloss? It seems like it would be comin sense to someone like Sazed to do something like that if he could. Edited December 18, 2015 by iBambam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FormlessFox Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 The same reason Tineyes and Mistborns spend most of their effort while using tin to tune out their enhanced senses. Having super-hearing while also absorbing 50x more visual information could be distracting. When Vin is learning from the individual crew members about the Allomantic powers Spooks tip to her is that tin is about what you don't focus on more than what you do. Even when using one supersense you have to block out 80% of the background noise to focus on what you actually want to hear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Since you lose your peripheral vision when tapping sight, to hear if someone is sneaking up on you? Like,I don't know,a group of Koloss? It seems like it would be comin sense to someone like Sazed to do something like that if he could. Common sense for a scholar when enhancing their eyesight to be wary of ambush? Sazed is rash by Terris standards but he's far from being a soldier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBambam Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 It has nothing to do with being a soldier, it's common sense. Sazed is plenty smart enough to have thought of something like that and would've taken precaution if he could have in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 There are different types of intelligence. What you refer to as common sense could be unthought of to a scholar. If somebody had suggested it to Sazed I'm sure he would have done it, but by himself, his first thought was to obtain knowledge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iBambam Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 Agree to disagree. I think it's doing an injustice to assume Sazed wouldn't burn multiple senses if he could, I think his character was much smarter than that. I'd love a chance to get a WoB on the subject though. It's a good debate! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted December 18, 2015 Report Share Posted December 18, 2015 I can assure you the smartest cartographer to ever sail the oceans probably did not actually go around being paranoid about ambushes while looking through telescopes. I don't suppose you start worrying about getting mugged, randomly caught in some sort of mafia gunfight, or becoming subject to serial murder while looking through telescopes at overseas tourist spots or whatnot either. Up until a few days ago he was a scholar teaching religion, burying dead people, and pondering mist death. Threats to his life should be the last thing on his mind, especially when those frankly have never really happened before. That, and frankly I'd think the internet is the one place where you have to admit common sense seems awfully uncommon at times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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