KevThinker he/him Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Just a quick thought, I am going through a reread of the Mistborn series while I await the upcoming Words of Radiance novel to come out. Just a simple question, what would happen if Larasium and Atium were forged into an alloy? Would it create a Feruchemist? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melancholy he/him Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 If there exact opposites could they make an alloy or would they destroy each other like vin and ati? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KevThinker he/him Posted January 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Also does Atium even exist at this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scriptorian he/him Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Speculations abound on this topic. Some think it makes a feruchemist, others think it'll make the universe explode... If anyone has an actual answer to this, they are really good at keeping secrets. So feel free to speculate 'till the koloss come home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Is it confirmed, or just the MAG, that mixing lerasium with any other metal makes you a Misting of that metal? Thus, an alloy of lerasium with atium would, allomantically, make the one who burned it a Seer. Of course, there's certainly no basis to guess yet what such an alloy would do hemalurgically or feruchemically. And don't forget, lerasium with 2% atium and lerasium with 20% atium would be two very, very different metals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter he/him Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 (edited) There are multiple alloys for each god-metal. So a 90%-10% lerasium to atium alloy could potentially make a seer, a 90%-10% atium to lerasium alloy could have some other effect and a 50/50 alloy, "sazedium", could make a feruchemist. The thing is though that atium/lerasium alloys are tricky business whose realmatic interactions require you to be either a shard or a splinter to even begin to understand. Edit: added link-citations Edited January 7, 2014 by WeiryWriter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocHoliday he/him Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 WoB is that there are MANY things an individual can do with Lerasium, IF they know what they're doing. We, the 17th Shard have speculated that Lerasium has the potential to do everything from creating Mistings+Mistborn. To Feruchemists and Surgebinders, based on the fact that it is essentially our Investiture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 There are multiple alloys for each god-metal. So a 90%-10% lerasium to atium alloy could potentially make a seer, a 90%-10% atium to lerasium alloy could have some other effect and a 50/50 alloy, "sazedium", could make a feruchemist. The thing is though that atium/lerasium alloys are tricky business whose realmatic interactions require you to be either a shard or a splinter to even begin to understand. Edit: added link-citations Just would like to note that the blatant use of that quote implies that a non-shard splinter could not understand it, whereas to my ears, it simply means that the only ones in-universe who understand that so far are shards and splinters. It's like saying, "Before he showed anybody his work, Einstein was the only one who could understand general relativity." The casual implication is that no one else DOES, even though technically, the sentence states that nobody could ever understand. The sentence was presented in a casual format, so I think it would be wise to consider the casual implications rather than the technically correct interpretation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeiryWriter he/him Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Just would like to note that the blatant use of that quote implies that a non-shard splinter could not understand it, whereas to my ears, it simply means that the only ones in-universe who understand that so far are shards and splinters. It's like saying, "Before he showed anybody his work, Einstein was the only one who could understand general relativity." The casual implication is that no one else DOES, even though technically, the sentence states that nobody could ever understand. The sentence was presented in a casual format, so I think it would be wise to consider the casual implications rather than the technically correct interpretation. Here is a bit of clarification about that quote: Brandon has clarified that the shard or splinter is needed in order to understand how to create and utilize some of the alloys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Here is a bit of clarification about that quote: Again, that still seems more like saying "this information exists nowhere but in the instictual knowlege of Shards, and the uses are diverse/esoteric/exacting enough that you need someone to tell you exactly what to do the first time" than "there is no way to use/create this without being a Shard/splinter." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
name_here Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 It seems to me to imply that Realmantics are sufficiently complicated that ordinary people can't understand them. However, that doesn't necessarily imply they can't make or use Atium/Lerasium even without help. They're both metals and possess physical properties, so they could be alloyed in various proportions through ordinary methods. Figuring out how to use them might be a good bit trickier, but wouldn't require understanding Realmantics. So long as the effects are deterministic it's susceptible to brute force analysis; the set of things that could possibly be tried is finite and identical conditions will yield identical results. Given infinite time and material you could just try every single one of them. In practice, of course, time and resources are finite and trying things at random with no understanding of why they might work is the slowest functional method of solving a problem. They'll probably need to at least know what determines the results in order to get anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 What happens to the power locked up in atium or lerasium if it's made into a bad alloy? If, for example, the kandra had alloyed their atium to create something allomantically inert, would Ruin have been able to reclaim it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
name_here Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I would assume that the actual power is in the metal itself, and the alloying only alters how it can be used. So if an alloy is inert, you just have to separate it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I would assume that the actual power is in the metal itself, and the alloying only alters how it can be used. So if an alloy is inert, you just have to separate it out. While that's valid, it wouldn't keep it out of Ruin's hands forever, it's nevertheless a BRILLIANT move the Kandra could have done to hold off Ruin. It would have meant the world would have actually ended up ending, but still. It would have been brilliant! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 While that's valid, it wouldn't keep it out of Ruin's hands forever, it's nevertheless a BRILLIANT move the Kandra could have done to hold off Ruin. It would have meant the world would have actually ended up ending, but still. It would have been brilliant! Why would it have resulted in the world ending? I don't get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edgedancer he/him Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Because Elend and the rest coudn`t have burned the Atium and Ruind could, possibly, have pulled out his power out of the alloy fast enough to win against preservation/Vin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted January 12, 2014 Report Share Posted January 12, 2014 Because Elend and the rest coudn`t have burned the Atium and Ruind could, possibly, have pulled out his power out of the alloy fast enough to win against preservation/Vin.Oh, I see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oudeis he/him Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 Because Elend and the rest coudn`t have burned the Atium and Ruind could, possibly, have pulled out his power out of the alloy fast enough to win against preservation/Vin. That, and by then the world was ending even without Ruin's direct involvement. Vin had ripped away the ash and doomed the world to burning fire. The koloss were entering the tunnels and killing all the humans there. Ruin could eventually have smelted his atium out, but in the meantime the last humans would slowly run out of food and starve to death in their caverns, assuming they could even live down there as the planet heated up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecatinthehat Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 It seems to me to imply that Realmantics are sufficiently complicated that ordinary people can't understand them.What about unordinary people? Would it be possible for a savant (a literal savant, not an allomantic one) to be born with a capability of understanding the ways to create the "special" alloys? Yes, I know it's cheating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swimmingly he/him Posted January 13, 2014 Report Share Posted January 13, 2014 What about unordinary people? Would it be possible for a savant (a literal savant, not an allomantic one) to be born with a capability of understanding the ways to create the "special" alloys? Yes, I know it's cheating. Maybe someone with a knack for intuiting proportions for metals, or understanding naturally the logic of Realmatics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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