Lerasium mistings

[Joe ST he/him]

So, we have Mistings, each with the ability to burn one of the Allomantic Metals, including atium (and its alloys?) and we have the mists, which Snapped mistings so that they could burn their metal (even the atium mistings, though they got it a little tougher, I guess cause they had 'more' Ruin inside of them?).

These guys have been round since forever, but before Rashek's ascension they were a real rarity, I guess cause the mist was unknown until the Deepness, which was a little too rough. But after the ascension, there appeared a number of new guys on the block: Mistborn, those that could burn all 18+ of the metals, were loved by the mists, and generally had it pretty swell.

As we all know, (at least to my understanding) the magic systems of the Cosmere are accessed by those with some sort of special 'spiritual DNA' or sDNA, which is pretty darn cool. I hear (an aside) that Roshar, (the planet that The Way of Kings is set on) has 30 different magicks, and yet Scadrial (Mistborn's planet) only gets 3? That doesnt seem right. Each one of these mistings can only use (burn) one of the metals, I dunno what happens if they try burning others, probably a nasty head/belly ache or just nothing at all. But yeah, only one? Sounds like maybe their sDNA is different between each of the metals (An aside: I'm now questioning this, since the table of metals says that spikes take a subset of Allomantic/Feruchemical powers. Maybe this just means 'can take one of the metals, depending on who you spike or where you place it?). So we have the overarching skills of a Feruchemist, 16 standard burning powers and 1 or more atium +alloys burning powers. That looks to me like 18+ sDNA's. Hemalurgy is stealing/twisting the sDNA of others onto another being which (I guess) 'creates' new types of sDNA.

"AHHA!" you cry, "but what about Mistborn, those who can burn all 16 metals?". Simmer down there, I'm getting to it! If you didn't realise I also have not spoken of lerasium, the metallic form of the god Preservation (counterpart to atium's Ruin). "But lerasium mistings make no sense!" you say, "as soon as one burns lerasium, they become full Mistborn!" That they do, my friends, that they do. But there were no Mistborn before the Ascension, (I believe) not even Rashek The Lord Ruler was a 16-burner before he touched the Well. The Well that was chocked full of Preservation's power. Only after this did full Mistborn appear, after he gave some of his friends the beads of lerasium, which any Joe can burn, and said Joe gets the powers of all Allomancy.

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As a counterpoint to my argument, Leras gave up a part of themselves to fuel sentience (or something akin to this), and all everyone can burn learsium (and not animals (? confirm)), so what if lerasium mistings are given sentience (or whatever Leras made in humanity)? or the fact that ....

Darnit, my string of thoughts has fallen apart, and my theory has many holes, such as tin mistings also getting mist-sight, and the mist not only liking mistborn/lerasium mistings.

[Zas678 he/him]

When you become an allomancer, you become "closer" to Preservation. The Mistborn are those that are very close to Preservation. That is actually what Lerasium does. It allows any one who burns it to become closer to Preservation, and so it turns them into a Mistborn.

[Silus - Shard of Flame he/him]

Wait, what does this have to do with Lerasium mistings?

[Joe ST he/him]

I think I was trying to convince myself that the lerasium misting sDNA is what makes them mistborn but I guess it makes little sense. *sigh* my mind got messed up and I ran out of steam,

It'd be nice to have a discussion on the ways Hemalurgy works though. I'm thinking that the placement of the spike isnt a contributor to the number of permutations of different magics, but a restrictor. URGH SO MANY PERMUTATIONS *drowns*

[Chaos he/him]

It'd be nice to have a discussion on the ways Hemalurgy works though. I'm thinking that the placement of the spike isnt a contributor to the number of permutations of different magics, but a restrictor. URGH SO MANY PERMUTATIONS *drowns*

Hemalurgy was kind of modeled on acupuncture. There are certain spiritual "pressure points" on people. You charge a Hemalurgic spike by putting it in the correct spiritual pressure point. By putting this now charged spike in the correct pressure point in ANOTHER person, you effectively splice the Spiritual DNA into them. Essentially hacking it in.

I don't know if this answers your question. ...Mostly because I don't understand what you're asking XD

[Kuri Shardweaver he/him]

pretty sure if Lerasium is the metal that turns normal people into mistborn, wouldn't that make EVERYONE theoretically a Lerasium misting?

[Zas678 he/him]

Yep. I think it may come as a side effect of having more Preservation inside of them.

Which leads up to another question- if a Non-Scadrial person ate Lerasium, would they be able to burn it?

[Silus - Shard of Flame he/him]

I get the feeling it MIGHT be possible, but would probably have a different effect on someone not from Scradrial. Lerasium adds Preservation to someone, so what would happen if you gave it to someone who didn't have Preservation in the first place?

[Joe ST he/him]

I get the feeling it MIGHT be possible, but would probably have a different effect on someone not from Scradrial. Lerasium adds Preservation to someone, so what would happen if you gave it to someone who didn't have Preservation in the first place?

Lerasium adds the Allomancy sDNA to people, rather than just bulk preservation. If there were an offworlder with enough 'preservation' in them to burn lerasium cleanly, I'm sure they would become an Allomancer.

[Chaos he/him]

Lerasium adds the Allomancy sDNA to people, rather than just bulk preservation. If there were an offworlder with enough 'preservation' in them to burn lerasium cleanly, I'm sure they would become an Allomancer.

Well, I was under the impression that the increased Preservation is the prerequisite to Allomancy. Offworlders, except for maybe those who came from the planet where Adonalsium Shattered, probably would not have "Preservation," so to speak, since my assumption is that other Shards have created them.

I do think if an offworlder ate lerasium, it would surely make them an Allomancer. You're gaining a lot of Preservation there. Since you are from another planet, maybe you don't have as much latent Preservation inside you as, say, Elend, but lerasium would probably boost you enough to make you Mistborn. You might not be as strong as the Lord Ruler, however.

[Silus - Shard of Flame he/him]

My impression of it is that there are threshold amounts of Preservation. I.E., a certain amount of Preservation makes you a Misting and a certain higher amount makes you a Mistborn. What type of Misting you are is determined by your SDNA, but, seeing as there aren't any alternate kinds of Mistborn, just having that much Preservation makes you a Mistborn regardless of SDNA.

Scadrial natives already come pre-loaded with a certain level of Preservation, and Lerasium adds onto that. Maybe the difference in Preservation between a native to Scadrial and an offworlder is enough to make the difference between a Mistborn and a Misting.

[Chaos he/him]

That's true, but then what would determine the type of Misting that person becomes?

We don't really understand the full mechanics of how this power-fracturing thing works, from a Preservation standpoint.

[CrazyRioter she/her]

presumably if they didn't have enough Preservation to be Mistborn and didn't have the proper SDNA it wouldn't do anything, except make it so you could make them Mistborn with another nugget.

Now if you used an alloyed nugget of lerasium and another metal you might be able to make an offworlder a misting.

[Joe ST he/him]

I guess the only way an offworlder who's had no direct contact with Preservation could do Allomancy is if they'd had contact with Adonalsium (in a way such that they gained a little Preservation-like sDNA).

OOH, maybe the sDNA of all shards is the same, generic bland stuff, but depending on your own DNA relegates you to specific tasks (similar in concept to how electron shell's work, the sDNA is the amount of energy one can add to one's 'electron', and depending on how much that is, the 'electron' 'jumps' to a specific level, which corresponds to the allomantic power, RE: the burning frequencies you sense when Seeking)

[Silus - Shard of Flame he/him]

That's true, but then what would determine the type of Misting that person becomes?

I addressed that, it's based on SDNA.

presumably if they didn't have enough Preservation to be Mistborn and didn't have the proper SDNA it wouldn't do anything, except make it so you could make them Mistborn with another nugget.

Now if you used an alloyed nugget of lerasium and another metal you might be able to make an offworlder a misting.

I could see that happening with an offworlder, but not with a Scadrialan.

An interesting idea.

[Emeralis00 she/her]

I guess the only way an offworlder who's had no direct contact with Preservation could do Allomancy is if they'd had contact with Adonalsium (in a way such that they gained a little Preservation-like sDNA).

OOH, maybe the sDNA of all shards is the same, generic bland stuff, but depending on your own DNA relegates you to specific tasks (similar in concept to how electron shell's work, the sDNA is the amount of energy one can add to one's 'electron', and depending on how much that is, the 'electron' 'jumps' to a specific level, which corresponds to the allomantic power, RE: the burning frequencies you sense when Seeking)

That is what I was thinking, but I believe that an Offworlder that ate a Lerasium nugget would only become a misting and not a Mistborn.

[FellKnight he/him]

I addressed that, it's based on SDNA.

I could see that happening with an offworlder, but not with a Scadrialan.

An interesting idea.

Not so... from the Brandonology:

Quote from: Chaos2651 on October 15, 2008, 06:28:50 AM

1. The metal chunk that Elend ate is intended to be something of a mystery. Much like atium, actually. Suffice it to say that Atium isn't, and never was, what people thought it was.

I intended Allomancy to be much like a real science. People investigate and put things into boxes, trying to describe and understand the world around them. That doesn't mean they always get things right, however.

Let me say this, as I don't want to spoil too much. If that metal Elend ate were fused into specific alloys with certain metals, it could have instead created Mistings of each of the different Allomantic powers. Atium's abilities are not entirely explored yet either.

Fell