Guest Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 Stormgate, 'checking before assuming'! Maybe it would help us if we listed everything which seems to be made from 'Shardblade material'? Shardblades, obviously. We know that they are a form a spren assumes when its pulled enough in Physical Realm Shardplates Oathgates possibly more Radiant fabrials like Oathgates? Am I missing something? Do we know for sure if a Shardblade will cut a Gemstone? Both Dun and Filled.
Stormgate he/him Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 Do we know for sure if a Shardblade will cut a Gemstone? Both Dun and Filled. Good question. If so, I suppose it might make cutting gemstones much easier.
DreamEternal Posted December 30, 2015 Posted December 30, 2015 Do we know for sure if a Shardblade will cut a Gemstone? Both Dun and Filled. I doubt half-shard fabrials would be so amazing if making armor out of gemhearts had the same effect.
Guest Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 I doubt half-shard fabrials would be so amazing if making armor out of gemhearts had the same effect. But they do shove a Shardblade deep into the Crysalis. I wonder what percentage of Gemhearts have a Shardblade-shaped flaw in them.
ChickenPlague he/him Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 But they do shove a Shardblade deep into the Crysalis. I wonder what percentage of Gemhearts have a Shardblade-shaped flaw in them.So sorry acidental downvote!!!Also Adolin at one point is described as stabbing a Chasmfiend in a way as to not cut the gemheart. So yes Shadblades can cut gems.
DreamEternal Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) But they do shove a Shardblade deep into the Crysalis. I wonder what percentage of Gemhearts have a Shardblade-shaped flaw in them. I wonder if such a flaw even matters for the purposes of storing Light, since shardblades cut so cleanly. Edited December 31, 2015 by DreamEternal
Full Metal Rithmatist Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 (edited) Perhaps Shardplate is formed of multiple minor spren. Like the cloud of windspren that follow kaladin when he flys, maybe they will become his armour. it seems unlikely the armour is a single spren given that it can be dismantled into multiple pieces. Edited December 31, 2015 by Full Metal Rithmatist
natc Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Dismantled into separate pieces, and you can seemingly will each component to detach in sequence. Or in the case of Radiants in the visions, dismiss and summon only the helmet. Yeah, it's probably more than one entity.
taveren he/him Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Perhaps Shardplate is formed of multiple minor spren. Like the cloud of windspren that follow kaladin when he flys, maybe they will become his armour. it seems unlikely the armour is a single spren given that it can be dismantled into multiple pieces. i posted that on this thread months ago its like the second post
TheLerasNosed he/him Posted December 31, 2015 Posted December 31, 2015 Doesn't Syl call the Windspren her cousins? So couldn't they have a similar, yet not exact, way of forming into Shardplate as she does a Shardblade?
FortyShorty26 Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 When Dalinar speaks the Words and bonds the stormfather he is told he will be a knight without Shards. Plural. The plate was also dismissed and resummoned by the two radiants in Dalinars vision, a Windrunner and an Edgedancer. Also, my theory is that each magical engine is linked to the Dawn Shard that spawned it, so Allomancy or Aons wont work on Roshar. Shardplate also isnt sentient, unlike Nightblood, so it might be rendered magically inert or destroyed altogether by world hopping. My theory tying magic to their Dawn Shard is based on the Epics relation to Calamity (Steelheart), the appearence of Galladon (Elantran) in WoK, and Vehel, who is likely Vasher (Warbreaker) both of whom are tied directly to their worlds magic engine and cant travel away from them for long.
DreamEternal Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 (edited) When Dalinar speaks the Words and bonds the stormfather he is told he will be a knight without Shards. Plural. The plate was also dismissed and resummoned by the two radiants in Dalinars vision, a Windrunner and an Edgedancer. Also, my theory is that each magical engine is linked to the Dawn Shard that spawned it, so Allomancy or Aons wont work on Roshar. Shardplate also isnt sentient, unlike Nightblood, so it might be rendered magically inert or destroyed altogether by world hopping. My theory tying magic to their Dawn Shard is based on the Epics relation to Calamity (Steelheart), the appearence of Galladon (Elantran) in WoK, and Vehel, who is likely Vasher (Warbreaker) both of whom are tied directly to their worlds magic engine and cant travel away from them for long. Uh... The Reckoners series isn't part of the cosmere, and you seem to be confusing the dawnshards with the Shards of Adonalsium, they are not the same thing. And allomancy works in Roshar. Aons do not, but magic from Sel is an exception due to the peculiar state of its splintered shards. Worldhopping wouldn't kill shardplate if it is like shardblades. And while I don't know about Galladon, Vasher came to Roshar in part because he can feed his Divine Breath with Stormlight. Edited January 5, 2016 by DreamEternal
DreamEternal Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 Galladon is part of the 17th Shard. I know that. I just meant I don't know if it would be dangerous for him to get too far from Elantris, not having read the book yet.
Stormgate he/him Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 I know that. I just meant I don't know if it would be dangerous for him to get too far from Elantris, not having read the book yet. Well, without spoiling anything, as far as we know, the only effects are loss of power and apparently loss of Elantrian appearance.
The Invested Beard Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 I wonder if Galladon has to deal with some kind of Dor withdrawal? Now I'm getting an idea for a Dor patch. 1
Stormgate he/him Posted January 5, 2016 Posted January 5, 2016 I wonder if Galladon has to deal with some kind of Dor withdrawal? Now I'm getting an idea for a Dor patch. Aon Rao.
Rhaegar'Elin he/him Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 I too think the Shardplates are formed by lesser spren related to the major spren of the bond (like Windspren/Honorspren and Creationspren/Cryptic). The only "problem" I have with this theory is Renarin: how did he managed to wear is Plate for all the Battle of Narak despite the screams (summoning his Blade, too)?
The Invested Beard Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 I too think the Shardplates are formed by lesser spren related to the major spren of the bond (like Windspren/Honorspren and Creationspren/Cryptic). The only "problem" I have with this theory is Renarin: how did he managed to wear is Plate for all the Battle of Narak despite the screams (summoning his Blade, too)? Maybe dead spren that aren't sapient don't scream?
Pathfinder Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) I too think the Shardplates are formed by lesser spren related to the major spren of the bond (like Windspren/Honorspren and Creationspren/Cryptic). The only "problem" I have with this theory is Renarin: how did he managed to wear is Plate for all the Battle of Narak despite the screams (summoning his Blade, too)? Maybe the lesser spren do not gain sapience as result? And that seems to be what the spren refer to as "life or death" for them. They lose that sapience. edit: invested beard, great minds think alike lol Edited January 6, 2016 by Pathfinder
The Invested Beard Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 Maybe the lesser spren do not gain sapience as result? And that seems to be what the spren refer to as "life or death" for them. They lose that sapience. edit: invested beard, great minds think alike lol Indeed.
Rhaegar'Elin he/him Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 (edited) Well, I can't disregard your thought on lesser spren: it's completely possible XD But, anyway, I'm a little bothered by what Renarin did: he also summoned is Blade at least two times (opening the building and trying the key) without visible ripercussions (to me, the breakdown seemed for the visions not for screams). Edited January 6, 2016 by Rhaegar'Elin
DreamEternal Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 Well, I can't disregard your thought on lesser spren: it's completely possible XD But, anyway, I'm a little bothered by what Renarin did: he also summoned is Blade at least two times (opening the building and trying the key) without visible ripercussions (to me, the breakdown seemed for the visions not for screams). I think it was meant as a way to make his reveal as a Radiant less jarring after you look back, since all our other Radiants are exceptional people, and it takes exceptional willpower to pretend you aren't hearing the wails of the damned.
Pathfinder Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 Well, I can't disregard your thought on lesser spren: it's completely possible XD But, anyway, I'm a little bothered by what Renarin did: he also summoned is Blade at least two times (opening the building and trying the key) without visible ripercussions (to me, the breakdown seemed for the visions not for screams). I can find quotes for you, but everytime he summoned it for Shallan he was wincing. True it is not to the level we saw on the battle field or during the duel, but it could be argued that by that point he got better about dealing with an unending screaming voice in his head whenever the sword is in his hands. 1
Stormgate he/him Posted January 6, 2016 Posted January 6, 2016 Shardblades scream, Shardplate does not.
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