Kaze the white eye he/him Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 we keep running into versions of powers, that are unnattainable by humankind. the kandra blessings, and parshendi forms both suggest this. which makes me wonder if they come from a second source. any ideas? am i reading too much into things? should i make a sandwich? let me know 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuckles Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 I'll have a ham & cheese, light mayo, lots of pepper. As it is Adolnasium is so ill-defined I don't think proposing an opposite is useful. As I read it everything falls into the proposed rules anyway. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 we keep running into versions of powers, that are unnattainable by humankind. the kandra blessings, and parshendi forms both suggest this. which makes me wonder if they come from a second source. any ideas? am i reading too much into things? should i make a sandwich? let me know I thought those were both pretty well explained as being from Shards, Kandra blessings are just human attribute spikes given to a Mistwraith, Parshendi forms come from spren. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaze the white eye he/him Posted October 17, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 Lol, thanks guys, I thought I was going a bit crazy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaeggs he/him Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 I always thought that there was a type of spren for each Roshar shard, Honour, Cultivation, and Odium, with the voidspren being Odium's version. Sorry I can't go more in-depth on my thoughts, just really tired Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zandi she/her Posted October 17, 2015 Report Share Posted October 17, 2015 we keep running into versions of powers, that are unnattainable by humankind. the kandra blessings, and parshendi forms both suggest this. which makes me wonder if they come from a second source. any ideas? am i reading too much into things? should i make a sandwich? let me know While I don't think Kandra and Parshendi are examples..I do think there is/was an opposing force to adonalsium....infact i vaguely remember some discussion of this here. either wob or q/a or a thread - can't remember the details though it was awhile ago that i came across it. If i vaguely recall it being hinted at that perhaps Adonalsium was not the only significant source of power in the universe....but maybe I am misremembering.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 While I don't think Kandra and Parshendi are examples..I do think there is/was an opposing force to adonalsium....infact i vaguely remember some discussion of this here. either wob or q/a or a thread - can't remember the details though it was awhile ago that i came across it. If i vaguely recall it being hinted at that perhaps Adonalsium was not the only significant source of power in the universe....but maybe I am misremembering.... Well something had to shatter Adonalsium so unless it was self inflicted there's some kind of opposing power on at least the same level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mashadar Mistborn he/him Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Isn't there a WoB that Harmony is the most powerful force in the cosmere currently, and another one that the "enemy" of Adonalsium is still around? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari he/him Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 (edited) I always thought that there was a type of spren for each Roshar shard, Honour, Cultivation, and Odium, with the voidspren being Odium's version. Sorry I can't go more in-depth on my thoughts, just really tired Spren have varying degrees of alignment with each of the three Shards invested on Roshar. It's entirely possible some of them are even aligned with none of the three, as we have WoB that some Spren pre-dated Honour and Cultivation's arrival. Isn't there a WoB that Harmony is the most powerful force in the cosmere currently, and another one that the "enemy" of Adonalsium is still around? Nah, that WoB is that Harmony could reasonably be called the most powerful force we have seen in the Cosmere. That doesn't say anything about whatever the enemy of Adonalsium is, whether it's the God Beyond or some other power. Edited October 19, 2015 by Ari Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge he/him Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 The very phrase "the God Beyond" indicates a powerful being outside of the "normal" spectrum. i can't imagine Harmony propagating, or at least encouraging, "god beyond" in reference to just another Shard holder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ari he/him Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 The very phrase "the God Beyond" indicates a powerful being outside of the "normal" spectrum. i can't imagine Harmony propagating, or at least encouraging, "god beyond" in reference to just another Shard holder. If you're talking about my post, it wasn't in regard to any other Shard Holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge he/him Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 If you're talking about my post, it wasn't in regard to any other Shard Holders. no, i was referring to the phrase "the God beyond" in an attempt to bolster the theory that there HAS to be some being out there significantly above the Shard holders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindrunnerRadiant he/him Posted October 20, 2015 Report Share Posted October 20, 2015 no, i was referring to the phrase "the God beyond" in an attempt to bolster the theory that there HAS to be some being out there significantly above the Shard holders. What to you mean by "Has to be?" Because, in fact, there does not "have to be." Simply because something has to be greater than the Shardholders? If so, then there has to be one more powerful than that and one more powerful than that. And one more powerful than that. There does have to be some entity that's at the peak; if that was Adonalsium, then it may be the shards now. Adonalsium being shattered doesn't mean there has to be a being of equal strength. There are very real cases of people winning in unimaginable odds. Perhaps that is what happened with Adonalsium. Perhaps not. Regardless, don't say something as fact when it isn't. we keep running into versions of powers, that are unnattainable by humankind. the kandra blessings, and parshendi forms both suggest this. which makes me wonder if they come from a second source. any ideas? am i reading too much into things? should i make a sandwich? let me know I know this has already been cleared up, but there is something else I would like to add. Powers stemming from Adonalsium (or what is left) are never stated to be only for humans. In addition, kandra were human originally and their Blessings are Hemalurgic Spikes; their power comes from Ruin. As far as the listeners, it seems that the Voidspren are influenced by Odium, a shard of Adonalsium. Don't take any of this to mean that I don't think there is a chance that there is an equal and opposite force to Adonalsium. It certainly is plausible. I am, however, skeptical. We haven't seen any source of investiture that came from another source yet or anyone directly showing a power that could be attributed to another source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 What to you mean by "Has to be?" Because, in fact, there does not "have to be." Simply because something has to be greater than the Shardholders? If so, then there has to be one more powerful than that and one more powerful than that. And one more powerful than that. There does have to be some entity that's at the peak; if that was Adonalsium, then it may be the shards now. Adonalsium being shattered doesn't mean there has to be a being of equal strength. There are very real cases of people winning in unimaginable odds. Perhaps that is what happened with Adonalsium. Perhaps not. Regardless, don't say something as fact when it isn't. I know this has already been cleared up, but there is something else I would like to add. Powers stemming from Adonalsium (or what is left) are never stated to be only for humans. In addition, kandra were human originally and their Blessings are Hemalurgic Spikes; their power comes from Ruin. As far as the listeners, it seems that the Voidspren are influenced by Odium, a shard of Adonalsium. Don't take any of this to mean that I don't think there is a chance that there is an equal and opposite force to Adonalsium. It certainly is plausible. I am, however, skeptical. We haven't seen any source of investiture that came from another source yet or anyone directly showing a power that could be attributed to another source. I think they meant that the phrase 'god beyond' implies that it's a power beyond something else and the logical comparison would be Shards so the title suggests something 'beyond' Shardic strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge he/him Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 I think they meant that the phrase 'god beyond' implies that it's a power beyond something else and the logical comparison would be Shards so the title suggests something 'beyond' Shardic strength. Bingo! it's hard to imagine Mr Sanderson dropping several "God Beyond's" in a meaningless way. True, there doesn't HAVE to be something higher than the Shards, but it seams strange to make a very strong suggestion that there is for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Authweight Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 Bingo! it's hard to imagine Mr Sanderson dropping several "God Beyond's" in a meaningless way. True, there doesn't HAVE to be something higher than the Shards, but it seams strange to make a very strong suggestion that there is for no reason. I see the "God Beyond" to be something more akin to Brandon's conception of God in the real world. An all-powerful, all-knowing force that predates existence and is mysterious in overall purpose and means. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge he/him Posted October 21, 2015 Report Share Posted October 21, 2015 That is entirely plausible. still, it doesn't detract from the idea that there is a supreme being in Cosmere, in fact it rather adds to the possibility. His firm belief in a real GOD would translate well into an omnipotent Cosmere entity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Am Stick Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 I'm not sure where I read it but I believe the opposite of Adonalsium is the Fain Life. WOB maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted October 22, 2015 Report Share Posted October 22, 2015 Not sure if we're even supposed to mention that name here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WindrunnerRadiant he/him Posted October 23, 2015 Report Share Posted October 23, 2015 God Beyond could be a remnant from when Adonalsium was whole. And Fain Life is never stated to be a force in opposition to Adonalsium. Sanderson's only comment on any opposition to Adonalsium is that there was one. He was asked if there was something, be it a people or another cosmic force, that opposed Adonalsium and if they/it were still around. He answered yes to both. (Here's the link) I would like to note that this is "opposed," not "opposite." This doesn't mean that it was an entity of equal and opposite power. It could have even been the original shardbearers, Fain Life (I'm fairly certain Fain Life existed pre-shattering, and is, indeed, a good candidate), or something we haven't seen or heard of yet. But if there was an entity called the God Beyond that isn't Adonalsium, it would have to be an opposite or something even greater than Adonalsium and doesn't necessarily have to appear directly in the series. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormgate he/him Posted November 10, 2015 Report Share Posted November 10, 2015 (edited) The God Beyond could be Adonalsium, simply a little-known religion echoing through the Cosmere, the last way the unshattered Adonalsium is remembered. That said, there is definitely something else out there, something more dark than Odium, if that's possible. As I was writing this, I had a thought: What if whatever Shattered Adonalsium also allows Odium to destroy Shards, Splintering them into Aons, spren, whatever. Perhaps Anti-alsium isn't alive, or perhaps something like Nightblood, which is somewhat alive. Either way, that's the theory I came up with as I was doing dishes. Edited November 10, 2015 by Stormgate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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