Kurkistan he/him Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) At first I assumed everyone immediately got it, and so decided that it wasn't worth bringing up. But I haven't seen any mention of it on the forums and I don't want to run into another "Denth's hair" situation, so I'll just post it anyway... Did everyone catch the fairly direct reference to the South during Harmony's chat with Wax? SoS Ch 7: Harmony: "[...]You've barely progresed technologically from what I gave you in the books. Yet others, who were nearly destroyed..." EDIT: I suppose he could theoretically be referring to other shardworlds or something, but I seriously doubt it. - Unrelated note: did something happen to Kelsier? After Wax backsassed god, Harmony went "Since Kelsier... well, I haven't had much [sarcasm directed my way]." EDIT 2: Ah, looks like there's some mention in the full book reactions thread. Edited October 7, 2015 by Kurkistan 2
Bremen Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 Harmony doesn't seem to know about much beyond Scadrial. He doesn't know what the metal is in Bleeder's spike. So I imagine he's not referring to another world. He might be referring to a past civilization on Scadrial itself, but we have no evidence for technologically advanced civilizations in Scadrial's past. I'm assuming it's the Southern Continent civilization until told otherwise.
signspace13 he/him Posted October 7, 2015 Posted October 7, 2015 Harmony doesn't seem to know about much beyond Scadrial. He doesn't know what the metal is in Bleeder's spike. So I imagine he's not referring to another world. He might be referring to a past civilization on Scadrial itself, but we have no evidence for technologically advanced civilizations in Scadrial's past. I'm assuming it's the Southern Continent civilization until told otherwise. I think he knows that the spike is an investiture one, he just doesn't know the shard it came from, that or he is keeping it to himself.
Galavantes Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 I did catch the reference. I just didn't see much in it as Brandon has been pretty open about the people on the southern continent.
Bucephalus Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 It might be reference to the bearers of 'Red and Gold,' as Miles put it. I don't remember where, but there was some theory or statement about them being far stronger than the Elendel's,
Blaze1616 he/him Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 I caught the reference, but figured it wouldn't be important again in this trilogy and was just an easter egg nod to the Sanderfans that were reading. Though it does make you wonder just how advanced the southerners are. Clearly they've reached radios, which means they probably have a bunch of other stuff, like air conditioning and forensics (assuming their general tech level parallels Earth's).
WardenGiggles Posted October 8, 2015 Posted October 8, 2015 Yeah, I assumed he meant the other continent also. Speaking of the other continent....maybe this was discussed when Alloy of Law came out. Why didn't Sazed/Harmony move both groups of people together?
Kurkistan he/him Posted October 8, 2015 Author Posted October 8, 2015 Yeah, I assumed he meant the other continent also. Speaking of the other continent....maybe this was discussed when Alloy of Law came out. Why didn't Sazed/Harmony move both groups of people together? I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he didn't spot them at first, since they were on the opposite side of the world from where all the action was going down. Then after that I imagine social/cultural differences plus his Harmonious "I should probably not interfere too much" mojo settling in.
Blaze1616 he/him Posted October 9, 2015 Posted October 9, 2015 I honestly wouldn't be surprised if he didn't spot them at first, since they were on the opposite side of the world from where all the action was going down. Then after that I imagine social/cultural differences plus his Harmonious "I should probably not interfere too much" mojo settling in. I also like to think that, since Sazed was a bit of a scholar, he wanted to see how two separate societies would advance. 2
vineyarddawg Posted October 9, 2015 Posted October 9, 2015 I wouldn't assume that it's just an easter egg. He implies that they might even have aviation and be incredibly aggressive compared to the northern Scadrians. That seems like a... problematic combination... and also one that could lead to a meeting/confrontation sooner than we think.
Titan Arum Posted October 9, 2015 Posted October 9, 2015 Reading the revelation about radios and aviation immediately led me to suspect the Southerners. If they have some basic Wright Brothers aviation right now, we should expect WWI style planes sooner than later. Which means planes that could theoretically fly to the north, after taking several stops and assuming they can carry enough fuel. Additionally, between the World Wars, aviation technology quickly progressed to a point where we had planes that looked fairly modern and were no longer biplanes. In Elendel, we know they already have some version of the telegraph because a woman notes to Innate "My lord governor! We've had a telenote through the wire..." This leads me to believe that even in Elendel they're not too far off from the radio, especially with Tarcsel's daughter now getting new funding from Wayne.
Evil_Reptile Posted October 9, 2015 Posted October 9, 2015 (edited) Shadows for Silence minor spoilers I think that he means the people from Threnody. They were almost destroyed when the Evil took over their homeland, presumably. Harmony also referred to the Scadrians not having explored things at all, since everything they needed was in Elendel Basin. However, the Threnodians discovered a whole new continent. Also, I think that Harmony knows about Threnody because Brandon said somewhere that Harmony was one of the most cosmere-savvy non-worldhoppers. I took this to mean that he knows a few Shardworlds, but not all of them. Also, I seem to recall somebody (I don't remember who) said that Threnody was fairly close to Scadrial, cosmere-wise. It is also affected by Ruin according to Brandonn, so I think it's safe to assume that Sazed knows about it at this point. As for technology, we don't know when Shadows for Silence happens, so they may well have advanced further technologically than when we see them in Shadows for Silence. Edited October 9, 2015 by Evil_Reptile 2
Sirscott13 he/him Posted October 10, 2015 Posted October 10, 2015 I can't be sure, but didn't Brandon have a 1940s mistborn Novella planned? To me this time period stinks of WII so I can't help but get the feeling there is going to be conflict with the north and south continents 1
eltari Posted October 11, 2015 Posted October 11, 2015 There's no reason for Sazed to be talking about any other set of humans other than the Southerns. We know the Southerns exist, and that they were almost destroyed. From context, he's talking about technology progressing since the Rebirth (I can't find the term Brandon uses in the book). Why would it be another off-world set of humans that he would compare the Northerns too? They would have a completely different knowledge set with respect to Scadrial humans. It's apples to oranges. No, it's the Southerns. And Harmony's worried about the North. They are clearly weak, enjoying their excesses, or at least those in power. But yeah, I want more info on the "second trilogy/urban fantasy" that Brandon was originally planning. I was thinking I'd read some place it was going to be a WWII/Cold War'ish story but that might just be my imagination at this point. It seems very clear to me, with the abundance of resources the Basin has, that the Southerns would be jealous, and want that land. Especially if Harmony didn't restore that area of the world to be particularly bountiful. Now I just need to actually finish the book. Came to the forums looking for this exact topic. I can't wait for whatever happens. 2
Landis963 he/him Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 Second Mistborn trilogy (now Era 3) is supposed to be 1980s-level tech, and I don't believe those plans have changed with the inception of WaW. I seem to recall a WoB on the subject.
Asperity he/him Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 Second Mistborn trilogy (now Era 3) is supposed to be 1980s-level tech, and I don't believe those plans have changed with the inception of WaW. I seem to recall a WoB on the subject. This, and it is supposed to be about an Allomantic SWAT team chasing down a Mistborn serial killer. Main character is a Nicrosil Misting (female, iirc).
Zathoth Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 Second Mistborn trilogy (now Era 3) is supposed to be 1980s-level tech, and I don't believe those plans have changed with the inception of WaW. I seem to recall a WoB on the subject. From there, I might jump to the second “big” trilogy, which is 1980s tech. Or I might dally a little more in something 1940s-era instead. We’ll see. http://brandonsanderson.com/state-of-the-sanderson-december-2014/ Scroll down to the Mistborn part.
StormingTexan he/him Posted October 12, 2015 Posted October 12, 2015 I posted this in the reactions thread but it is more appropriate here. I think 1980's era will actually be from the POV of the Southern Scandrians and may not be that far ahead (possible 40 years or so) of WaW era as they appear to be a lot farther along than the North. What almost destroyed them may be WW1 or WW 2 like situation and they are in the process of rebuilding. Perhaps we learn that Harmony built the North based on Preservation and the South on Ruin as separate experiments or to balance out the struggle from the opposing forces. Also if I recall correctly the 1980's era is about a team of Allomancers hunting down a full Mistborn. I feel like the Set's plans are to make a full Mistborn through hemalurgy from the captured women in AoL perhaps this is the tie in between the two eras. Of course this is all just crazy speculation. The thing that doesn't make sense is to me is why the Southern Scandians would not explore the North if they are that much more technologically advance. Now I did forget about the possible 40's era but that may be directly after the WaW era but in the Southern continent that would be closer to that time period already.
alexanderwales he/him Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 If the Southerners have radio and Wayne is on track to helping invent/popularize it, I can see that being the point where they realize that there's someone else out there with far more advanced technology. (I got really excited when I saw that reference to the Southies.) 1
eltari Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 http://brandonsanderson.com/state-of-the-sanderson-december-2014/ Scroll down to the Mistborn part. Nice, so we were both right! Knew I'd read something like that.
Cadmium he/him Posted October 31, 2015 Posted October 31, 2015 At the Houston SoS signing, Brandon said the Era3 was going to be 80's Spy vs. Spy thriller like a Ludlum or Clancy novel. Could we see a Cold War between Elendel and the Southern Continent like USA vs. USSR?
hypatia she/her Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Perhaps a little history would be helpful... There was a planet named Scandrial with millions of people, of cultures, of religions - until the moment Rashek decides to mess up. Most of the population died except "his" own empire and the back-up plan - the so called southern Scandrial. What do we know? Very little - they were from the same gene-pool like our better known people from the Final Empire - they have had all this little part from Preservation, if .... On to the questions: How had Rashek thought this humans to survive? Did he change their genetics similiar to the people in his empire? Who were they? Part of the Terrismen? A homogenic group or a mix of all out of the original cultures? Rashek wasn't able to supervice this humans after he has given back the power of Preservation - did he leave someone in charge? Or were they independent? He was activly hindering the progress in his empire - was there someone doing this job in this region or were this people free to evolve? If so in which direction? If they were adapted to the new environment did Sazed also change them back - they are now his responsibility like the people of Elentel. What is the real name of this people? How did they evolve? Did they have a religion like the one in the Final Empire with a "god" like Raskek or did there one of the original religions survive? Do they use one of the metalic arts? And - is there a connection to this child from Rashek? For me the future clash of this two culture is a possibility for the author to make a big twist, because of the freedom to evolve a population with the same rules, but without the same history.
Titan Arum Posted November 18, 2015 Posted November 18, 2015 Hmm, I've begun to think that Angel Investor Wayne may invest in a radio project since we did see telegraph-like technology already. I'm imagining Wayne visiting the research team as they spin their dial on the airwaves...and suddenly they hear chatter or music. From Southern Scadrial. And that's how the North first learns about the South.
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