[Spoilers] Shards on Scadrial?

[Dzeser he/him]

Hey guys long time lurker but I got this theory and had to test it out to the community. There are spoilers to Shadows of Self. The spike used by Bleeder is described as long as a finger, silvery with bits of red like rust. Now Sazed aka Harmony knows atium so it's not that. We have WoB stating Odium has plans for Harmony I think that the metal is a manifestation of his Investiture just like on Roshar he has spren. The only link I have are the bits of red, Odium seems to have red investiture. So what is Odium planning if that is his attack? Only another shard can interfere as MeLaan says the kandra are frightened.

[Argent he/him]

Others have had pretty much the same idea. From what I've seen in the last couple of days on the forums, it's either that or people believing it's Bavadin's Shard, Autonomy, that's doing this stuff. I personally support Bavadin because his Shard's Intent matches more closely Bleeder's obsession with freedom.

[Jess]

I'm not sure if I think it's Odium or Autonomy; it could really go either way. BUT if it is Odium, I would guess his ultimate goal is to remove Harmony as a threat, killing Sazed and splintering the shard, which kind of fits with how Bleeder hated Harmony and wanted to get rid of his eyes/ears/hands etc.

Edited October 7, 2015 by Jess

[Dzeser he/him]

Yeah that's why I think its Odium. WoB already says he is making plans regarding Harmony. What I can't figure out is how Odium knows all this what with being trapped on Roshar. Also why hasn't Harmony become more cosmere aware?

[fyodor]

I am not convinced necessarily that a shard is consciously involved.

 

It's plausible that some chaos-sowing world-hopper has found a way to use another god's investiture without their active participation. Much like Elend and the Seers could use Atium, even in opposition to Ruin.

Edited October 7, 2015 by fyodor

[Dzeser he/him]

Nice I didn't even think of that. Still a worldhopper who did that has to have really good knowledge of investiture so for only Hoid and the Ars Arcanum writer fits the bill. Tbh I don't like that the Ars Arcanum author doesn't consider Hemalurgy evil and wants to research it

[Blightsong he/him]

Nice I didn't even think of that. Still a worldhopper who did that has to have really good knowledge of investiture so for only Hoid and the Ars Arcanum writer fits the bill. Tbh I don't like that the Ars Arcanum author doesn't consider Hemalurgy evil and wants to research it

I dotn considerate evil either. Does one consider guns to be evil? I think hemalurgy can be used for evil, but it also has the potential to be used for good, much like a gun.

[Zathoth]

Yeah that's why I think its Odium. WoB already says he is making plans regarding Harmony. What I can't figure out is how Odium knows all this what with being trapped on Roshar. Also why hasn't Harmony become more cosmere aware?

This is really the big problem with this theory. Odium should be trapped in greater Roshar.

 

The proof I see for it being Odium is that while Bleeders goals were freedom her methods was more... odius and there was the visitor from another world who a lot of us (me included) think looks like a Parshendi.

 

Autonomy makes a lot of sense as well, Bleeder was obsessed with freedom and from a meta perspective I find it interesting that Brandon didnt just RAFO that question. Like he wanted to throw us something to speculate about.

 

... there is something else that is annoying me. Im not sure if it is related, but I'll throw it out.

 

 

Wait, Wax thought. Did I just get sarcastic with God Himself?

[i'll remove some stuff because it is not important] Since Kelser ... well, I havent had much of that.

Since Kell what? We know that Kelsiers soul has been sticking around so either Kell has gone to the netherworld or something weirder has happened.

[Dzeser he/him]

I dotn considerate evil either. Does one consider guns to be evil? I think hemalurgy can be used for evil, but it also has the potential to be used for good, much like a gun.

Hemalurgy would be ok if it didn't permanently damage the victim. Now healing them after tearing their spirit web is probably impossible so far as I know only Hoid does that

[Dzeser he/him]

Maybe Kell went to investigate the cosmere, at least I hope so I don't want him to have moved on

[Blightsong he/him]

This is really the big problem with this theory. Odium should be trapped in greater Roshar.

 

The proof I see for it being Odium is that while Bleeders goals were freedom her methods was more... odius and there was the visitor from another world who a lot of us (me included) think looks like a Parshendi.

 

Autonomy makes a lot of sense as well, Bleeder was obsessed with freedom and from a meta perspective I find it interesting that Brandon didnt just RAFO that question. Like he wanted to throw us something to speculate about.

 

... there is something else that is annoying me. Im not sure if it is related, but I'll throw it out.

 

Since Kell what? We know that Kelsiers soul has been sticking around so either Kell has gone to the netherworld or something weirder has happened.

WaW takes place after the events of SA. Maybe Odium escapes .

[DSC01 he/him]

I really feel like Bavadin is the one making mischief, but there is certainly evidence that Odium could be involved.

Let's say he is still trapped in the Rosharan system. Sure, he could have escaped, but if he was actually in the vicinity, wouldn't Sazed have noticed?

That visitor from another world looks a while lot like a Parshendi to me (I know some folks disagree, but I disagree with your disagreement--so there!). Odium could have sent one through a Shardpool with a spike to do his dirty work, then asserted his influence from afar.

Or it could be a joint venture between Rayse and Bavadin. I don't know that old autonomous Bavadin has any worldhoppers of his own to use in such endeavors.

[natc]

This is really the big problem with this theory. Odium should be trapped in greater Roshar.

The proof I see for it being Odium is that while Bleeders goals were freedom her methods was more... odius and there was the visitor from another world who a lot of us (me included) think looks like a Parshendi.

Autonomy makes a lot of sense as well, Bleeder was obsessed with freedom and from a meta perspective I find it interesting that Brandon didnt just RAFO that question. Like he wanted to throw us something to speculate about.

... there is something else that is annoying me. Im not sure if it is related, but I'll throw it out.

Since Kell what? We know that Kelsiers soul has been sticking around so either Kell has gone to the netherworld or something weirder has happened.

Always figured it was just "since Kelsier" fullstop. That guy literally wisecracks after his entire army being massacred. The life of the party, though he never got to attend any parties.

[DSC01 he/him]

Yeah, me too. Just because Kelsier's spirit is abiding in the aether with Sazed doesn't mean he cracks jokes with him and stuff. Though the alternate interpretation, that his spirit is no longer available to keep Sazed company for some unknown reason, is interesting too.

[Chaos he/him]

I will post this here as well. In my signed book, I asked if the metal in Paalm is from a Shard we know.

It is.

http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/45901-shadows-of-self-byu-midnight-signing/#entry336901

[Kairos he/him]

I will post this here as well. In my signed book, I asked if the metal in Paalm is from a Shard we know.

It is.

http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/45901-shadows-of-self-byu-midnight-signing/#entry336901

Well, that's hugely important. So, likely culprits, Rayse and Bavadin. So it's probably Raysium or Bavadium. The really important thing is what effect it has when allomantically burned. Too bad we don't have any Mistborn around.

But what did it Hemalurgically steal?

[natc]

Whatever it stole, it managed to steal enough to cause Koloss-level physical mutations with a single spike. Metallic art spikes don't do that, so probably a "human" attribute.

[RShara she/her]

With Hoid running around, and the enmity between Hoid and Bavadin, I wonder if Hoid brought the metal to Scadrial, and Bavadin is mad at him for stealing some of his power.

[KC Hammer]

Since it mentioned them being somewhat animal like in appearance, maybe they were created using animals.

 

Also I fell down the hole of an AMA with Brandon  (http://www.theoryland.com/intvmain.php?i=979) and found this question that seems fairly relevant to which Shard the metal belongs to.

If Odium were lured to Scadrial, would his physical body turn into a burnable metal? If so, could Harmony create an Odium-metal legion of Mistings to consume and burn it? Would that weaken him sufficiently enough to be killed or destroyed?

 

Brandon response was the following.

The difficulty here is, again, one of Identity. People born on Scadrial have an Identity tied to it and its magic. Odium would have to do certain things to make them able to use a magic he fuels. He has done these things on Roshar, so it's not impossible for him to manage it on Scadrial.

 

So that raises the question, has Odium now done these things to prepare Bleeder and the others that were spiked with this new metal? If so the metal could be his.

[Landis963 he/him]

Is the spike metal, though? Because it bears a suspicious resemblance to soulstone that's been hardened.

[Argent he/him]

MeLaan calls it metal, I think. I doubt that's something they could get wrong, not with how the scene was set up. But I would be glad to be wrong here.

[Landis963 he/him]

Harmony doesn't recognize it. If I was on my computer I'd pull up all the quotes that sparked the hypothesis in the first place, but it's in the shop and I'm on my phone.