physicskid Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 (edited) At the end of the book wax is given an earring described as "a simple stud, with the end bent over". i suspect this is infact vins earring. I wonder why harmony wants him to have seeker abilities. So that he can look for agents of Trell perhaps? Edited October 9, 2015 by physicskid 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 This is a big stretch, I think. All of the Pathian earrings are simple things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 This is a big stretch, I think. All of the Pathian earrings are simple things. Wax's previous earring was large enough to be stamped: He reached into his pocket, fishing out his earring. It was a simple thing, stamped on the head with the ten interlocking rings of the Path. If it's just a stud, there's no way it has a stamp on it, let alone one big enough to show enough detail to figure out it has ten(!) rings on it. So it's sufficiently different to be interesting, I think. If Harmony wants Wax to be burning bronze, that would make sense. It might be capable of detecting things with this strange new god's Investiture. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Hmm, fair enough. I had remembered the "simple thing" bit, but not the intricacy of its design. I am still not ready to believe he got Vin's earring specifically, but I recognize the possibility and wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the winter system Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 And, Vin's earing might be special somehow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fyodor Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Vin's describes her earring thusly. "it's just a small stud and the pin on the back bends down." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argent Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Okay, that's close enough that I can't argue. I am convinced, it's her earring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MistWit Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 It does seem pretty obvious that it is vin's earring. But will it still allow him to burn bronze? We have yet to see just how much hemalurgy degrades over time. It could be that after 400 years their is not enough remaining power to actually use. Maybe it will just allow communication like wax's previous earring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acatnamedkaren Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Here's a picture of it on Brandon's store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC01 Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 It does seem pretty obvious that it is vin's earring. But will it still allow him to burn bronze? We have yet to see just how much hemalurgy degrades over time. It could be that after 400 years their is not enough remaining power to actually use. Maybe it will just allow communication like wax's previous earring. Well, Marsh doesn't seem to have lost anything from his spikes (granted, they've been in his body). Vin sure took her earring out a bunch, and she could still pierce copperclouds with ease. I suspect that placing a spike "seals" it somehow, and the degradation (or at least significant degradation) only takes place after an ability has been stolen but before it has been bestowed. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndrewStirlingMacDonald Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Should be noted that the "gauge" version in Brandon's store seems more faithful to the description than the "hoop" version (which is the first version that comes up in the store. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seonid Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Well, Marsh doesn't seem to have lost anything from his spikes (granted, they've been in his body). Vin sure took her earring out a bunch, and she could still pierce copperclouds with ease. I suspect that placing a spike "seals" it somehow, and the degradation (or at least significant degradation) only takes place after an ability has been stolen but before it has been bestowed. This is not the case. Any time a spike is outside if a body, the investiture decays. It follows an exponential decay pattern, like radioactivity. Vin's merely hadn't decayed enough to put her below the "coppercloud-piercing" threshold yet. Something like wax's earring, on the other hand, which had been out of a body for centuries, would end up with only a faint charge. (This was my question to Brandon at the signing - when the transcript goes up, then we'll actually have a WoB to link to) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSC01 Posted October 7, 2015 Report Share Posted October 7, 2015 Ah, well, in that case, it's still difficult to know how much any given spike had degraded, since the kandra are probably protecting them by carrying them in their bodies. That's just an assumption on my part, but it seems to make sense. MeLaan did give Wax his earring, after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 And, Vin's earing might be special somehow. It is special because it is imprinted with Marsh's brain matter... obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirscott13 Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Sorry to poke holes, but couldn't Harmony just "recharge" the earring so to speak? I mean the Lord Ruler was able to use the well of Ascension to make himself OP in allomancy, and Harmony has already changed the way allomancy works on Scadrial, so wouldn't it make sense that with Ruin he could recharge the Hemuralgic spike so that its decay was minimal? As another side note, could it be possible that the spike had been recharged with another kill? Find a seeker who is born and about to die due to complications and have a Kandra or Marsh use the earring to recharge the spike? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sovereign Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Sorry to poke holes, but couldn't Harmony just "recharge" the earring so to speak? I mean the Lord Ruler was able to use the well of Ascension to make himself OP in allomancy, and Harmony has already changed the way allomancy works on Scadrial, so wouldn't it make sense that with Ruin he could recharge the Hemuralgic spike so that its decay was minimal? As another side note, could it be possible that the spike had been recharged with another kill? Find a seeker who is born and about to die due to complications and have a Kandra or Marsh use the earring to recharge the spike? By the nature of Ruin I doubt Ruin (or the Ruin part of Harmony) could recharge the spike, it simply goes against the net loss principle. Your 2nd point however I would say is quite plausible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natc Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 Preventing decay I can see, but I'm not sure recharging is possible. Remember, it's not just raw investiture inside the spike, it's a complex but constantly decaying structured fragment of a spiritweb. Reconstructing the charge will at the very least be a major pain in the backside, and deep knowledge in spiritual genetics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galavantes Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 As stated in another thread. Recent WoB is that there is a minimum charge to a hemalurgic spike that it will not decay beyond. So it will always have some charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moogle Posted October 14, 2015 Report Share Posted October 14, 2015 As stated in another thread. Recent WoB is that there is a minimum charge to a hemalurgic spike that it will not decay beyond. So it will always have some charge. Can you link this WoB? I haven't seen this, and the only recent one I know says it tends to go to 0. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galavantes Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 Unfortunately not. I saw it mentioned in the most recent post here: http://www.17thshard.com/forum/topic/46816-a-new-power/ but the actual quote wasn't linked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zalocx Posted October 15, 2015 Report Share Posted October 15, 2015 While Harmony may not be able to "recharge" the earring, thus invalidating the net loss aspect of hemuralgy and Ruin's intent, maybe he was able to simply *stop* the decay using his Preservation powers? So the spike can't been refilled back to what it was originally but it might no longer decay either. And If he stopped it way back after the Final Accession it might still be pretty potent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robot Aztec Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Sorry to poke holes, but couldn't Harmony just "recharge" the earring so to speak? I mean the Lord Ruler was able to use the well of Ascension to make himself OP in allomancy, and Harmony has already changed the way allomancy works on Scadrial, so wouldn't it make sense that with Ruin he could recharge the Hemuralgic spike so that its decay was minimal?presevration and ruihn both can cahrge hemalrugy yes ruin is jsut better because its his 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwon87 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 Harmony has already changed the way allomancy works on Scadrial What has Harmony changed about allomancy? What have I missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
signspace13 Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Why not just have marsh or a kandra use the earing? It would be inside someone and thus not decay, marsh makes more sense as he would then be a 3x a powerful seeker, it seems that is the simplest solution. Edit:auto correct is a biatch Edited October 16, 2015 by signspace13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voidus Posted October 16, 2015 Report Share Posted October 16, 2015 What has Harmony changed about allomancy? What have I missed? Snapping works differently than it used to and arguably he changed the metals too, swapping Atium and Malatium for Bendalloy and Cadmium but that one's not exactly clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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