Kobold King he/him Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 But of course I must point out that Metronome the Great would have absolutely no problems at all running a city. Plus the trains would all be on time. Or else. Well he's better than Backtrack, then, who would be on the first train out of the city the first time the word "invasion" comes up. 1
Voidus Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Well he's better than Backtrack, then, who would be on the first train out of the city the first time the word "invasion" comes up. Or just when he first enters the city and finds out what happened to the last dictator.
Edgedancer he/him Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 CorpseMaker was actually the Epic that got me thinking about this. Somehow I forgot to add him to my analysis, though. His part of Portland appears to be the most well-maintained quarter of the city, in some ways even better off than Thoughttown. (There's more indiscriminate murder of vanillas under CorpseMaker and the Trifecta, but Newcago proved that people will flock to a well-supplied city even with those kinds of atrocities rampant.) I got the impression that the restaurants and the cafes were specifically stocked for the Epics and might not be indicative of the people's resources... but then, who am I to argue with the city's chief worldbuilder? Does she supply power or running water to the citizens? What do you mean Corpsemaker's part of town? He literally just moved there one (or maybe two) days ago after murdering the former Sky High shout outs. Well, the restaurant in question was for high clientel specifically but if you look back you'll notice that the cafe was full of (now dead ) vanillas. The resourcess and infrastructure exsist, though Lucentia has no qualms about cutting anyone off if they aren't making temselves useful.
TwiLyghtSansSparkles she/her Posted October 14, 2015 Author Posted October 14, 2015 Well he's better than Backtrack, then, who would be on the first train out of the city the first time the word "invasion" comes up. "So how's that new dictator working out for you?" "He's great! Every time you—oh, wait a minute, there he is. Watch. Hey, Backtrack!" "I—I told you it's Emperor—" "I think I'm gonna rebel later today." "NO PLEASE DON'T I'LL DO ANYTHING YOU WANT!" "Let my cousin out of prison?" "Okay. And I'll give her a free latte too." 4
Voidus Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 What do you mean Corpsemaker's part of town? He literally just moved there one (or maybe two) days ago after murdering the former Sky High shout outs. Well, the restaurant in question was for high clientel specifically but if you look back you'll notice that the cafe was full of (now dead ) vanillas. The resourcess and infrastructure exsist, though Lucentia has no qualms about cutting anyone off if they aren't making temselves useful. Didn't he used to run basically all of Portland other than TT?
Kobold King he/him Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 What do you mean Corpsemaker's part of town? He literally just moved there one (or maybe two) days ago after murdering the former Sky High shout outs. Well, the restaurant in question was for high clientel specifically but if you look back you'll notice that the cafe was full of (now dead ) vanillas. The resourcess and infrastructure exsist, though Lucentia has no qualms about cutting anyone off if they aren't making temselves useful. Nah, the armory was taken within the game time. At the game's start he was based out of a bank, which he'd been ruling from for several years. That implies trade and an economy, then. How does Lucentia generate power? Does she have to harvest fuel for generators, or does she use hydroelectric power like The Dalles?
Edgedancer he/him Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Didn't he used to run basically all of Portland other than TT? Can't be, at least Chimera and Hivemind apparently had independen territory. Granted, Hivemind is a non-entety at this point but if Corpsemaker was really running the entire town Chimera wouldn't have been able to stand up to him for even a day. (Plus he appeared more like a gang boss collecting some protection money than actually doing any ruling, given that Portland is quite the hell hole.) That implies trade and an economy, then. How does Lucentia generate power? Does she have to harvest fuel for generators, or does she use hydroelectric power like The Dalles? You remember the part about effectively infinite resourcess thanks to the Finnancier? He did it long before plant lady.
Voidus Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Can't be, at least Chimera and Hivemind apparently had independen territory. Granted, Hivemind is a non-entety at this point but if Corpsemaker was really running the entire town Chimera wouldn't have been able to stand up to him for even a day. (Plus he appeared more like a gang boss collecting some protection money than actually doing any ruling, given that Portland is quite the hell hole.) You remember the part about effectively infinite resourcess thanks to the Finnancier? He did it long before plant lady. Scribbler was doing it first.
Mailliw73 he/him Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Didn't he used to run basically all of Portland other than TT? No. If you find that map that Joe and I made forever ago, he had a pretty small territory. Granted, most of the city not directly under CM's control would probably still be a type of borderland that he would influence. Altermind, Corpsemaker, the Sky High Epics, and Hivemind all influence. Thoughttown has power and running water. The rest of Portland has hardly anythign. 1
Kobold King he/him Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 You remember the part about effectively infinite resourcess thanks to the Finnancier? He did it long before plant lady. * facepalm * I forget that conventional logistics cease to have meaning where Epics are concerned. As for CorpseMaker, I don't think it's been established how much micromanagement he puts into the town, but his protection has definitely allowed businesses like the coffee shop to flourish under his presence. He seems to provide security for those who provide services he thinks are necessary, so if you have a job that he sees as important, you're probably better off under him than you'd be in a completely chaotic part of town. If Elizabeth Trattner didn't have a pretty teenage daughter to think of, for instance, she could probably do well for herself running her bakery and supplying the coffee shop with pastries.
Edgedancer he/him Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Scribbler was doing it first. But is she keept as a restocking slave? * facepalm * I forget that conventional logistics cease to have meaning where Epics are concerned. As for CorpseMaker, I don't think it's been established how much micromanagement he puts into the town, but his protection has definitely allowed businesses like the coffee shop to flourish under his presence. He seems to provide security for those who provide services he thinks are necessary, so if you have a job that he sees as important, you're probably better off under him than you'd be in a completely chaotic part of town. If Elizabeth Trattner didn't have a pretty teenage daughter to think of, for instance, she could probably do well for herself running her bakery and supplying the coffee shop with pastries. Can't really blame you, given that you aren't actually involved with the city. I dunno granting protection to one random shop and actually running a city are two very different things, plus he also seems to have no problem letting the Trifecta running around. He may be able to properly run a city but he seems more like the major mobster boss leeching of the city but not giving anything in return apart from maybe slightly controling the flow of crime.
Kobold King he/him Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Can't really blame you, given that you aren't actually involved with the city. I dunno granting protection to one random shop and actually running a city are two very different things, plus he also seems to have no problem letting the Trifecta running around. He may be able to properly run a city but he seems more like the major mobster boss leeching of the city but not giving anything in return apart from maybe slightly controling the flow of crime. The Trifecta isn't a big deal where Epic governments are concerned, considering Steelheart had far more ATTD-worthy Epics running loose in his city. Still, you make a good point about the difference between protection and city maintenance, to which I can only say, CorpseMaker at least allows society to function like it did before Calamity. Dollars are still used as money in his city, and he understands that the vanillas under him are more likely to work well for him if he pays them for their services and even tips them. I doubt he could run a megalopolis like Newcago, but were all Portland under his control, it'd probably attract a lot of Oregon residents looking for a halfway survivable place to live.
Voidus Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 But is she keept as a restocking slave? Can't really blame you, given that you aren't actually involved with the city. I dunno granting protection to one random shop and actually running a city are two very different things, plus he also seems to have no problem letting the Trifecta running around. He may be able to properly run a city but he seems more like the major mobster boss leeching of the city but not giving anything in return apart from maybe slightly controling the flow of crime. Kinda? Not against her will but she was just forced to work all night instead of being able to see to her family's safety.
Edgedancer he/him Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 The Trifecta isn't a big deal where Epic governments are concerned, considering Steelheart had far more ATTD-worthy Epics running loose in his city. Really? The only one we really know about is Fortuity with about a kill a week and he was stated to have fallen out of favour already.
Kobold King he/him Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Really? The only one we really know about is Fortuity with about a kill a week and he was stated to have fallen out of favour already. Fortuity falling out of favor wasn't said to be related to his slaughter. Refractionary caused fatal traffic incidents on a whim. Steelheart himself wracked up a kill count of thousands from periodically selecting apartment complexes and reducing them to rubble. And that's not even counting the several thousand Epics said to live in Newcago, compared to less than twenty in CM's part of town. I think it's pretty safe to say that unless the Trifecta plays another "game" every night for a straight month, Newcago's still a much more violent city.
Edgedancer he/him Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 Fortuity falling out of favor wasn't said to be related to his slaughter. Refractionary caused fatal traffic incidents on a whim. Steelheart himself wracked up a kill count of thousands from periodically selecting apartment complexes and reducing them to rubble. And that's not even counting the several thousand Epics said to live in Newcago, compared to less than twenty in CM's part of town. I think it's pretty safe to say that unless the Trifecta plays another "game" every night for a straight month, Newcago's still a much more violent city. Refractionary tecnically didn't do it on a whim but because she was cut an trafick and I doubt that happens on a regular basis. Those things are still bad but comparing reason, timeframe and number of population the Trifecta are still far worse than any one Epic in Newcago and depending how much of Steelheart's blowing up houses was real and how much propaganda, they racked up enough kills on civillians to rival those three you just listed for weeks..
Mckeedee123 he/him Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) Corpsemaker did always strike me as a better ruler than the other two major Portlanders. I wouldn't count Funtimes out just yet, though. It's hard to get a bead on her sometimes, but if she were Portland's dominant Epic, I actually think things would run rather smoothly. Funtimes isn't a fan of slaughter, for one. ATTD Epics would be reprimanded or killed for attacking her "friends." The grid would go back up and any starvation would be countered with showers of rainbow pancakes... basically, resource problems wouldn't be an issue. Funtimes wouldn't bother administrating anything (she is completely nuts, after all) but I could see other people who are actually interested stepping in to do that. The woman's "job" would basically be to run around the city doing whatever she wants, with the concept of her being in charge keeping the city together in the face of instability. The biggest problem with Epic rulers is that... well, they're just horrible people who mess everything up with their evilness. Funtimes keeping the city stable but not much else otherwise is pretty much the best case for leadership among our characters. Edited October 14, 2015 by Mckeedee123 1
Blackhoof Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 @Kobold: Newcago has two million people? I'd heard it was 250'000. I think it goes without saying that Iconoclast would make a terrible ruler
Blackhoof Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) This just in- Atrophy suggests heresy! How will Cornucopia respond??? Edited October 15, 2015 by Blackhoof
Mashadar Mistborn he/him Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 This just in- Atrophy suggests heresy! How will Cornucopia respond??? He forgot about The Dalles. What does have against being the strictly controlled subordinate of a vanilla? Epics have such cultural bias. 1
Comatose he/him Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 When talking about leadership, the other thing you have to remember about Rainmaker is how much she delegates responsibility. Unlike Steelheart, who seemed to like managing everything himself, Rainmaker likes to enjoy the benefits of power without most of the responsibilities. Much of the decisions you've seen her make in the RP thus far are decisions that would have normally been made by Euphoria, with some consultation with Rainmaker. So, losing Euphoria was more than just a loss of her power, it is also creating chaos because the normal administration structure of Corvallis was disrupted. Basically, Rainmaker would be as good a ruler as the direct underlings she has. Her powers are useful for maintaining control of a city and fighting off or getting rid of rogue epics, and when she makes decisions she's fairly cautious and conservative. She doesn't generally murder without at least some provocation (key word: generally), and provides people with the services and resources they need. So, with good fellow rulers subordinate to her who she can delegate responsibility to, Rainmaker would make a decent large scale ruler, regardless of whether or not she has a mind control epic. With bad subordinates, she probably wouldn't do a very good job, since she doesn't really like doing things herself.
Curious Anamaximder he/him Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 (edited) Countdown would like to be in charge *winks* Edited October 15, 2015 by Venture Mistborn
Edgedancer he/him Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 This just in- Atrophy suggests heresy! How will Cornucopia respond??? She will flee to the Dalles, the one city he doesn't seem to know abbout, where unknown to her Shiny Sparkle awaits her with various coplays of plant type pokemons.
Kobold King he/him Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 She will flee to the Dalles, the one city he doesn't seem to know abbout, where unknown to her Shiny Sparkle awaits her with various coplays of plant type pokemons. Somehow I'm not convinced that Shiny's interested in very wholesome cosplays.
Edgedancer he/him Posted October 15, 2015 Posted October 15, 2015 Somehow I'm not convinced that Shiny's interested in very wholesome cosplays. Please, it's all about the art.
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