Exemplary and Complete Article Candidates

[Chaos]

So casual Coppermind editors might not really understand the crazy scheme for articles. A while back it was apparent that there needed to be a way to measure quality of articles. "Stub" didn't really say much if you literally had everything about a given subject in its article. And so there are four different article quality categories:

Stubs - The lowest on the totem pole, these are short or incomplete articles that need work.

Complete - Articles that are "Complete" are generally shorter articles, but ones that contain everything about the subject that is currently known. It is considered "done" because there is literally no more information that could be added to it.

Good - "Good" articles are articles that are longer than the "Stub" category warrants, so they generally have multiple sections and a good amount of content.

Exemplary - These are long-form articles that contain everything on a given subject. They are also considered done until new information on the subject is revealed.

Basically, I feel like the long-term goal is to have important subjects all be Exemplary articles eventually, and for shorter ones, Complete. By the way, every article should be in one of these categories. If you de-stub something because you expanded it and you don't feel the stub category counts yet, then please mark it Good using the {{good}} template.

I don't mind if people promote things to Good status, but I would like to formalize the process for Complete and Exemplary articles. To keep standards high, I think it's a good idea to have someone look over articles. And by "someone," for now I think Windy or I. (Not Joe though. He's banned from completing articles without discussing it with us ) Just having a second once-over seems like a smart idea. Before now, those tags have basically involved me asking Windy, "hey is this complete?" or "Think this can be Exemplary status?" And with you guys working on improving Emperor's Soul articles and as our editor base grows, we ought to include you guys

So I'm thinking this topic will be where you post if you think an article is Exemplary or Complete, and then we go look at it and mark it as such.

I'll start. I think Shai and Ashravan should be Exemplary. They are fantastic. Anyone see any additions needed on those?

Candidates for Completion

Spanreed

Painrial

Candidates for Exemplary

Shai

Fabrial

Spren

Edited November 5, 2013 by Chaos

[WeiryWriter]

I've generally been adding to a list on my User page of articles I think are Complete which I will post below.

 

Fabrial

Artifabrian
Spanreed
Half-shard
Grandbow
Painrial
Pain Knife

Emotion bracelet

 

On Ashravan, I would say no.  It needs to be updated and slightly expanded I think in order to match the new guidelines.  (I wrote that so long ago, I've gotten better at writing articles since then)

 

Shai... I guess I would say the content is all there, I would just want to fiddle with some things here and there, nothing that would keep it from getting Exemplary.

[cem]

I added Appearance&Personality and History sections to the Ashravan article. It's a good article but I don't think it's exemplary either. His personality especially feels too short.

 

I rewrote the Zu article. I think it's complete.

Edited November 4, 2013 by cem

[Cartith]

I edited the article on the Set. Based on what we know now, I would like to submit it as Complete.

[Chaos]

Zu has been marked as complete. Weiry, Windy will need to look at those Stormlight articles (he'd probably catch some things that I wouldn't), and Cartith, I will take a look at Set.

I will try to update the first post in this topic with the candidates and theoretically stay current with it.

EDIT: Set is done, and Windy marked some of your articles, Weiry, so they are removed from the candidate list

I personally think fabrial is nearly Exemplary status. It is long enough to warrant that over Complete. As such, I am promoting fabrial to Good. Windy wanted a few things added to it, but he really liked it.

Edited November 5, 2013 by Chaos

[Windrunner]

All right, Eric and I reviewed some of the articles (and by that I mean that I did the Stormlight ones and asked him what he thought of my comments )

 

First, articles that are complete, and now "should" be marked as such. (I think I did it, but I may have spaced on one or two.)

• Artifabrian
• Half-shard
• Grandbow
• Pain Knife
• Emotion bracelet

 

I do have a few comments on Shai, as I feel that it's very good but perhaps could be a shade better. I agree with Weiry that the subsection names could be updated, I prefer to keep the entries as in-world as possible, personally. What changes that she made to the emperor's soul should be touched on briefly, as well as why. Maybe a bit more on her attitude towards Forgery and art in general, as well as how extensive her knowledge of Realmatic theory is. I think the part near the end of the book could stand some expanding as well, mentioning her theft of the forged copy of Lily of the Spring Pond, as well as her plans to lie low in the Sogdian Forest. I also think that the fact that she has dark skin should be mentioned (because of the whole MaiPon/Jindoeese connection) because that's a fairly common misconception, especially due to the cover art. We also need a few Shai quotes as well.
 

Fabrial is much closer, although there are still a few things it could use, in my opinion. There needs to be a mention of the wire cages that surround the gems. We don't know if they're important for sure, but they should be there for now. I also think that a list of fabrials would not be amiss. The new factoid that all Radiant abilities can be mimicked by fabrials should be on that page. I also think that the Oathgates deserve a mention in the potential fabrials section, because that's a fairly common theory. The second fabrial drawing of Navani's should also be on that page as well. Once we have this stuff, I think it's exemplary.

 

Spanreed is almost ready to go, Eric thinks that it would be a good idea to list who has a spanreed connected with who so we can keep track of those pairs. Other than that, it's good to go.

[WeiryWriter]

Fabrial is much closer, although there are still a few things it could use, in my opinion. There needs to be a mention of the wire cages that surround the gems. We don't know if they're important for sure, but they should be there for now. I also think that a list of fabrials would not be amiss. The new factoid that all Radiant abilities can be mimicked by fabrials should be on that page. I also think that the Oathgates deserve a mention in the potential fabrials section, because that's a fairly common theory. The second fabrial drawing of Navani's should also be on that page as well. Once we have this stuff, I think it's exemplary.

 

Spanreed is almost ready to go, Eric thinks that it would be a good idea to list who has a spanreed connected with who so we can keep track of those pairs. Other than that, it's good to go.

 

I've added the pairs to the Spanreed page and I've made the suggested changes to the Fabrial page.  Except for the list of fabrials.  The way the page is set up there is no place for it that makes sense, instead I added a link the Fabrials Category which should serve much the same purpose.

[Mailliw73]

I've added to both the Marabethia and Arriev articles and would like to submit them as Complete.

[cem]

Congratz to Weiry and anyone else who contributed for Coppermind's newest exemplary articles.

 

edit: Plural. Nice.

 

Also, I'd like to offer the Kandra article as a potential candidate for exemplary. Sections need to be redone and lots of citation are needed but the content seems to be there. I think it may turn out very well with some work.

Edited November 9, 2013 by cem

[WeiryWriter]

I did this a while ago but I think Rithmatics is Exemplary.

[Mailliw73]

So about the Marabethia and Arriev articles, I see that Marabethia is now marked as complete but is there a reason why Arriev is not?

[Windrunner]

Marabethia was accepted, with a few minor tweaks on my part. Eric and I don't feel like Arriev is at a level where it is ready to be marked complete.

[Mailliw73]

Ok, is there anything specific you think needs to be there?

[cem]

I'm finally done with Kaladin. I think it turned out nice. Could be exemplary.

[Ozyara]

i have complete candidates

 

- Restares

- Hallaw ( i think his princedom is Vamah as it shares a border with Jah Kaved)

 

although they might need a work-over the info should all be there now.

 

more to come

[cem]

I'm assuming this is also a good place to talk about exemplaries that we think shouldn't be exemplary.

 

<DISCLAIMER>My intention is not to belittle anyone's work. If anyone is offended by this, I'm terribly sorry.</DISCLAIMER>

 

Renarin Kholin

Chaos made this exemplary recently, but I think it was done prematurely. If we go by the criteria in the OP, it is not long-form, and since it doesn't have a "History" section, it definitely doesn't contain everything on the subject and cannot be considered "done" until new info comes along. This should be changed to "good" until someone writes the "History" section.

 

Tevidian Tekiel

I can't reliably judge the content since it's been some time I reread Mistborn, and I wasn't paying much attention to Tevidian while I was reading in any case. Still, on a cursory glance, it doesn't seem to be everything. Also like Renarin, it doesn't fit the long-form criterion. It doesn't match the current guidelines. Section titles seem arbitrary.

 

It's a bad idea to stamp every well-written and -cited article exemplary, because it's counterproductive to improving the quality of the articles. Speaking for myself, when I see that yellow box, I'm very hesitant to change anything on or add anything to the article, because by definition the article should be excellent and I shouldn't have to change or add anything. It also lowers our standards.

 

 

On a cheerier note, Windrunner published his Lift article, and I can't see any reason it shouldn't be exemplary.

[Chaos]

I totally agree on Renarin's case and have changed it back. Oops. That was premature of me.<br /> <br />I am not opposed to changing Tevidian from Exemplary to Complete (it is definitely done and does not miss any content, however). That's a good discussion to have, because right now it is not clear what length is considered "long". Purelake's length is greater than 5000, while Tevidian's length is about 4300. I can switch Tevidian away from Exemplary, but I would like to know the precise definition of how long an article needs to be in order to be considered Exemplary rather than Complete.

[Joe ST]

A selection of articles hopefully close to complete

Adolis

Atara

Crosswood

RaiDomo Mai

RaiDel

Satren

Statlin City

Stonelark

Sweetsands

Houses Conrad, Gardre, Izenry, Shunah, Teniert.

And with the houses, a general opinion of the infobox I made for them, along with what categories they should go in

[Tempus]

I have been going through Emperor's Soul articles. The following articles are confirmed to have every possible piece of information, and should be marked as complete once reviewed.

 

Day One Edit: 

 

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Yazad

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Ushnaka

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Stivient

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Nyen

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Mulla%27dil

 

Day Two Edit:

 

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Dzhamar

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Glory_Faction

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Heritage_Faction

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Imperial_Seat

http://coppermind.net/wiki/MaiPon

 

Day Three Edit:

 

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Teullu

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Rose_Empire

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Rose_Palace

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Frava

 

Day Four Edit:

 

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Soulstamp

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Essence_Mark

 

 

Day Five-Seven Edit:

 

http://coppermind.net/wiki/Forgery ^{Nominated for exemplary - proofed by R'Shara while Weiry looked on with a stern expression}

Edited April 8, 2014 by Tempus