"I told you so!" - Steelhunt Edition

[hoser he/him]

A similar thread has been getting some interest over in the Stormlight Archive and there have been some "discussions" over here also.  If people want to be publicly "right" (and risk being the "other right"), they can publicly commit to their theories here. 

I actually even have an instance to provide, as I argued for Regrowth as part of a surge in December of '11, espoused it in my sig and can now claim vindication. 

Anyway, if people want to play along, post the things you want to be known as right about in this thread and I'll keep an updated list in the OP.  No waffling permitted. If you don't feel strongly about an issue, just pass.  "I maybe told you" is just lame.  No arms, stalking, consumption of headgear or other material sacrifice will be at risk here, just public glory or humiliation come March (or sooner). 

1. Darkness=Nalan. Yes: Mailliw73, marianmi, Bloodfalcon, Ethrien, Gloom, ADIMORTIS, kraefzke.  No: jasonpenguin, Meg.
2. Jezrien is incapacitated (drooling) or the "Have you seen me?" guy in the prelude. Yes: Mailliw73, marianmi, Bloodfalcon. No: hoser, stormfather, jasonpenguin, ADIMORTIS, Meg.
3. SETTLED: No. Szeth kills the Azish primes after his conversation w/Mr. T at the end of tWoK. Wrong: hoser, Bloodfalcon, jasonpenguin. Right: stormfather, marianmi, Ethrien, Gloom, ADIMORTIS.
4. One or more of the Heralds had a role in the Knights Radiant disbanding (Fistsof rage, please delete the post proposing this from the Stormlight Archive forum.  I think it is an excellent claim, but spoilerific).  Yes: Fistsofrage, Gloom, jasonpenguin, Bloodfalcon, kraefzke.  No: ADIMORTIS.
5. Kokerlii's (thought-detection-blocking bird) power works nearly identically to Allomantic copper, though perhaps on a different power-level.  Yes: Kurkistan, ADIMORTIS No: jasonpenguin. 

Once an item is SETTLED, no more names will be added to that item. 

Edited November 19, 2013 by hoser

[Kurkistan he/him]

Kokerlii's (thought-detection-blocking bird) power works nearly identically to Allomantic copper, though perhaps on a different power-level.

Edited November 3, 2013 by Kurkistan

[Stormfather]

1 - pass (will edit when I think some)

2- No

3 - No

[Mailliw73 he/him]

1. Yes

3. Yes

[marianmi]

1. YES

2. YES

3. NO

[Bloodfalcon he/him]

The first two are points that I don't really even care about. It just doesn't mean much to me that they would be Heralds or not. Darkness is still being an chull, and the drunk is still doing literally nothing. But to throw out my current opinions, I'll say 

1. Yes

2. Yes

3. Yes

 

I haven't seen discussion on the third, but shouldn't that be obvious? Brandon said this book was picking up right after WoK, and it is not Szeth's flashback book, so I don't....

[Windrunner he/him]

Dalinar Kholin is the last man on Szeth's list of men to kill. So either Taravangian decides to add to it, or the Liift interlude doesn't happen concurrently with the rest of the book. We've already been told that the interludes can be a little bit forward or backward in time.

[Ethrien he/him]

1. Yes

3. No

Edited November 4, 2013 by Ethrien

[Chrono she/her]

1. Yes

3. No

4. Yes

[Gloom he/him]

I'd agree that Nalan is Darkness

I don't think we've seen Jezrien yet. I don't think he was attending the the treaty signing at all. If I'm wrong about the signing, I'll change my avatar to a Power Puff girl for a month. Don't tell Kurkistan!

I believe that Szeth killed the Azish Primes prior to being ordered to kill Dalinar.

Apparently, I've already been added on number four.

Edited November 6, 2013 by Gloom

[hoser he/him]

Apparently, I've already been added on number four.

 

Based on this post in the other "I told you so" thread.  Is that wrong? Just tell me what you want. 

 

[Gloom he/him]

nah, it's all good

[Kurkistan he/him]

I don't think we've seen Jezrien yet. I don't think he was attending the the treaty signing at all. If I'm wrong about the signing, I'll change my avatar to a Power Puff girl for a month. Don't tell Kurkistan!

 

*Whistles*  .

[Peng the Just he/him]

1. no

2. no

3. yes

4. yes

5. no

[ADIMORTIS he/him]

1. yes

2. no

3. no

4. no

5. yes

[Meg]

Dalinar Kholin is the last man on Szeth's list of men to kill. So either Taravangian decides to add to it, or the Liift interlude doesn't happen concurrently with the rest of the book. We've already been told that the interludes can be a little bit forward or backward in time.

 

Hm, no, the last task on Szeth's (original) list was Taravangian. Only then Taravangian told him to kill Dalinar.

I'm sure the Azish Prime(s) were on the original list. After the death of the second Prime had been "weeks" until Lift's Interlude settles.

 

Windy or anybody can give me the source for "Interludes out of time"?

 

on topic:

 

1. I think: no

2. no

3. wrong (see above)

4. pass

5. pass (I don't know )

[Bloodfalcon he/him]

I don't mean to back out of what I said earlier, but I had really muddled #3 in my mind. What I thought was suggested was not even close. We are both late to the update, but Meg's post above clarified what was being asked for me. 

EDIT: That is to say, I am proven wrong by my ignorance of the actual question and accept my fate. But would still like an explanation by someone who knows how it was settled.

Also 4 I would give a Yes to, but 5 I need to pass on as I know nothing about that bird. Anyone able to reference a thread about it?

Edited November 18, 2013 by Bloodfalcon

[kraefzke]

1. Yes

2. Pass (don't really care)

3. Too late

4. Yes

5. Pass (don't care at all)

[hoser he/him]

I don't mean to back out of what I said earlier, but I had really muddled #3 in my mind. What I thought was suggested was not even close. We are both late to the update, but Meg's post above clarified what was being asked for me. 

EDIT: That is to say, I am proven wrong by my ignorance of the actual question and accept my fate. But would still like an explanation by someone who knows how it was settled.

The latest Steelhunt content has WoR chapter 2.  It includes a description of the assassin in white's activities with this sentence:

The emperor of Azir, dead.

I'm not convinced that Brandon intended for it to play out that way in tWoK, but maybe he needed to retrofit it for the sequencing in WoR. 

 

In any case, I made the judgment that the sentence I quoted settled the issue (to my chagrin).  If you disagree, I can change it.  As I am administrating this, I want to be careful not to bias toward my judgments being right, and this seemed pretty strong, even if not totally conclusive.  With this additional evidence, people who now said that it was before don't deserve as much credit as those who made the call without this evidence. 

 

Does this help?

[Bloodfalcon he/him]

The latest Steelhunt content has WoR chapter 2.  It includes a description of the assassin in white's activities with this sentence:

The emperor of Azir, dead.

I'm not convinced that Brandon intended for it to play out that way in tWoK, but maybe he needed to retrofit it for the sequencing in WoR. 

 

In any case, I made the judgment that the sentence I quoted settled the issue (to my chagrin).  If you disagree, I can change it.  As I am administrating this, I want to be careful not to bias toward my judgments being right, and this seemed pretty strong, even if not totally conclusive.  With this additional evidence, people who now said that it was before don't deserve as much credit as those who made the call without this evidence. 

 

Does this help?

Yeah, it helps, and I think you got it right. I saw primes and thought we were talking about the Lift chapter for some reason. My post up above shows how off I was, hahaha.

[Windrunner he/him]

Personally, I'm not sold on it. Look at the section where Szeth is given new orders.

“Yes,” Taravangian said. “But I am the monster who will save this world.” He looked at Szeth. “I have a name to add to your list. I had hoped to avoid doing this, but recent events have made it inevitable. I cannot let him seize control. It will undermine everything.”

“Who?” Szeth asked, wondering if anything at all could horrify him further.

“Dalinar Kholin,” Taravangian said. “I’m afraid it must be done quickly, before he can unite the Alethi highprinces. You will go to the Shattered Plains and end him.” He hesitated. “It must be done brutally, I’m afraid.”

Taravangian is giving Szeth a single new name. If Szeth was to get new names, wouldn't they come after he'd killed Dalinar? And yet, Dalinar still seems to be alive and well in the Steelhunt chapter. His orders are to go directly to the Shattered Plains and attack. And yet, if this Kaladin chapter is somehow set after that attack (unlikely) there is no sign of it. In my opinion, it's much easier to swallow that the Primes' deaths were simply initially kept quiet, or confirmed news took longer, despite spanreeds.

[Gloom he/him]

I'm fairly certain that Chapter two (Kaladin Chapter) of the WoR happens the very next day after the battle for the tower. I don't think Kaladin would sit around for a couple of days or weeks lolly gagging before he started organizing his people. It seems to me that he woke up the next morning, gathered his staff and went to work. I expected a time jump of a couple of weeks between TWoKs and WoR, so this kind of surprised me.

 

If this is the case, it most certainly doesn't leave Szeth with any time to have struck in Chapter One.

[hoser he/him]

At this point, I don't know anybody who disputes the following timeline.  I feel confused in reading Windrunner's post, as he claims to not be sold, but then goes on to agree with what I claimed.  Either I miscommunicated again (very likely) or I misunderstood (also quite likely). 

 

1. Szeth receives the original list which includes the Azish Primes.
2. Szeth kills everybody on the original list except Mr. T.
3. Chapter 2 of WoR occurs.
4. Szeth presumably attacks Dalinar.

Edited November 20, 2013 by hoser

[Windrunner he/him]

 

At this point, I don't know anybody who disputes the following timeline.  I feel confused in reading Windrunner's post, as he claims to not be sold, but then goes on to agree with what I claimed.  Either I miscommunicated again (very likely) or I misunderstood (also quite likely). 

 

1. Szeth receives the original list which includes the Azish Primes.
2. Szeth kills everybody on the original list except Mr. T.
3. Chapter 2 of WoR occurs.
4. Szeth presumably attacks Dalinar.

 

Nah, that's all on me. I totally misread your post. My bad

[Meg]

Windy or anybody can give me the source for "Interludes out of time"?

 

I apologize for being annoying, but I didn't find a source myself. Can anybody help me?