Kingkiller Chronicle

[Left he/him]

It doesn't, but a lot of them don't. Does anyone else want Kingkiller to be made into a movie? It wouldn't be easy and I really mean that. It would harder than doing the first five SA in a lot of ways. But I get the feeling that if it were done right, it would be really amazing.

[GreyPilgrim he/him]

It doesn't, but a lot of them don't. Does anyone else want Kingkiller to be made into a movie? It wouldn't be easy and I really mean that. It would harder than doing the first five SA in a lot of ways. But I get the feeling that if it were done right, it would be really amazing.

Well, the television rights have been purchased. I think it works better as a TV show, in fact, given that the books don't really have a unified plot within each and are told in a fairly episodic nature. A movie would not be as satisfying to audiences, I feel, since the plot isn't that cohesive. Kingkiller is about true storytelling, not real plot development, and I believe it is easier to develop a story through a TV series than in a movie where you are really only trying to get in and get out.

[Kasimir he/him]

GreyPilgrim, on 10 May 2014 - 03:56 AM, said:

Well, the television rights have been purchased. I think it works better as a TV show, in fact, given that the books don't really have a unified plot within each and are told in a fairly episodic nature. A movie would not be as satisfying to audiences, I feel, since the plot isn't that cohesive. Kingkiller is about true storytelling, not real plot development, and I believe it is easier to develop a story through a TV series than in a movie where you are really only trying to get in and get out.

Partly as well because I associate fantasy movies with more action. I'll grant that Kingkiller C has its share of action scenes, particularly in WMF, but what really makes it work (for me) is the way it follows and develops characters (but of course, especially Kvothe.)

To be honest, my immediate knee-jerk reaction was that I wouldn't like this to be made a movie, because I think the strength of Kingkiller C is the way Rothfuss has with his words. (It strikes me as being more poetic/lyrical than Sanderson's usual, although he's no Guy Gavriel Kay.) But I think GreyPilgrim has made a good point--it would work as a TV show.

[Shardstorm he/him]

Can't wait for Doors of Stone!!
 

Partly as well because I associate fantasy movies with more action. I'll grant that Kingkiller C has its share of action scenes, particularly in WMF, but what really makes it work (for me) is the way it follows and develops characters (but of course, especially Kvothe.)

To be honest, my immediate knee-jerk reaction was that I wouldn't like this to be made a movie, because I think the strength of Kingkiller C is the way Rothfuss has with his words. (It strikes me as being more poetic/lyrical than Sanderson's usual, although he's no Guy Gavriel Kay.) But I think GreyPilgrim has made a good point--it would work as a TV show.

 

I agree. I wouldn't like it as a movie either. I think it could work as a TV show, but honestly.. Fantasy novels often lose a lot of what makes them so great when adapted to film. Just like how Kingkiller has strength in the way it is written and told. Sure you can see all of the characters come to life in cinema, but sometimes it just warps the way one views the world and characters, and doesn't do the story justice. I don't think I would welcome a film adaptation, unless Rothfuss were to be given an insane budget and freedom to change anything, only if he himself really wanted it to be made.

 

[Shardmancer he/him]

So idk if this has been talked about but as i re-read Wise Mens Fear I keep getting the Sanderson vibe about future characters. I feel like Denna's patron may be Skarpi or Brandon secretly.. I belive she says her patron likes to dance- (so does Brandon- from Severen) They both also disapear secretly at times.. Is thier a connection and does anyone else feel like Rothfuss is doing this?

 

Or do we just read to much Sanderson that we look for this in everything?

[GreyPilgrim he/him]

Well, Denna's patron is actually Shalash. (Upvote if you know why.)

[Awesomeness Summoned he/him]

Is it because you think Master Ash is one of the Chandrian and, like them, Shalash destroy's any graven images of themselves?

[GreyPilgrim he/him]

Is it because you think Master Ash is one of the Chandrian and, like them, Shalash destroy's any graven images of themselves?

 

Not what I was thinking. It's possible what I'm thinking hasn't actually been confirmed, but I believe it is generally accepted.

Edited May 16, 2014 by GreyPilgrim

[Shardmancer he/him]

O never thought of Ash being one of them.. The Lanre story would be bit contradictory why would the chandrian wants her to do historical investigations into things they wanted to keep secret.. but you know it could be some big secret we have not yet revealed yet.. 

 

 

Just with one book left to tie up all these loose ends how is it possible!?

[GreyPilgrim he/him]

Cool idea that Master Ash is one of the Chandrian. I feel like I've seen it before, either on the Kingkiller Reread on tor.com or on the Kingkiller Wiki, but yes it is interesting to consider.

 

Explanation of my comment about Ash being Shalash (very slight WoR spoilers; like, just the prologue):

Jasnah overhears Nale and his companion talking about a woman named Ash on the night of Gavilar's assassination. It is fairly clear that they are referring to Shalash. Thus, Master Ash is Shalash.

[Shardmancer he/him]

Ash is a mans name.. Elm is for women- Kvothe

[Bloodfalcon he/him]

I just decided in my head that fitting all of the loose ends into one book is totally possible at the length of WMF. I think what has been missing is an understanding of myself: my body and mind are not prepared for a book of that pace and significance.

[Khyrindor he/him]

no. there needs to be more.

[Laughing Fool he/him]

So I guess Rothfuss is going to release at least one (The Slow Regard of Silent Things), possibly two books before he finishes Kingkiller Chronicle.

I think he might be worried that the ending to Kingkiller Chronicle will be an anticlimactic let down and wants to squeeze in some other books before his fanbase stops reading his stuff after that happens.

Also, does anyone else feel like nearly a third of Wise Man's Fear was completely superfluous? Especially the whole bandits in the Eld bit. It read like he recounted an old Dungeons and Dragons quest he played in his youth. I can practically hear Kvothe saying, "I'm gonna take a 20 searching for tracks through the forest." He spends several chapters learning sex moves...and gets a short conversation with the Cthaeh.

Just about all the sex and romance in the books made cringe. It shattered my suspense of disbelief every time. Rothfuss clearly doesn't understand how love and sexual attraction actually happen.

Or the Adem women being better fighters than men?! I almost quit reading right then. I will concede that some women will be better than some men, but overall, with equal training, men will be better fighters than women. Male bodies and minds have evolved to fill that exact role. If it was true that women made better fighters than men, then every country ever would have used women as their infantry. I mean, come on!

The ironic thing is that Rothfuss writes so beautifully that I'll believe anything he writes...except that he takes so long between books that I have time to snap out of the hypnosis his words put me in.

Lastly, I'm afraid he'll take his theme of "how stories evolve" too far and leave too many loose ends open. Emotionally, I want closure. Intellectually, I know that it's infinitely more likely that Kvothe's tale will end without learning more about the Amyr, Chandrian, Far, Cthaeh, etc.

[Shardmancer he/him]

I would have to disagree respectfully.. Those Fae parts where intergral to the overall plot and the growth of Kvothe.. The journey as Sanderson would say is more important than the destination. So these seemingly meaningless things added to Kvothes growth overall in the novel and you can see that at the end in back at the University with Eldoin that hes matured through these slow parts of the novel.

 

As for the slight differences you need to understand this is a different world completely even know men are larger or more musclar Adem are skilled for cunning and training not strength or physical attributes.. Womens fluidilty and overall deamenor would make them better fighters and Rothfuss explains it better than I.

 

From trolling other forums it seems he is doing this in a 3rd book and not extending the series, whether or not hes wraps up all the questions is a different story.. We do know hes wokring on side Novels for Auri, Elodin and Bast so perhaps those can help enlighten us to this amazing world he has built.

 

 

IM PUMPED!

[Laughing Fool he/him]

@ Shardmancer

I prefer people to disagree with me; that way, I'm exposed to ways of thinking that I would have otherwise missed out on.

I've been thinking about it lately, and I must concede that, as goofy as it is, all that sex in Fae was instrumental in Kvothe's understanding of Felurian, which he needed to have to call her True Name.

I stand firm in my disagreement with women being better fighters. The fluidity of movement that women have that you mentioned is not combat oriented. A woman's grace and litheness advertises a healthy body and genes and serves to make her sexually desirable. Rothfuss does do an excellent job of making it sound plausible, but everything we know about evolutionary psychology and biology contradicts that idea.

This is why, in competitive sports like boxing or MMA, there are seperate male and female leagues. This distinction is older than civilization. It's not some outdated discriminatory prejudice, either. It's a simple fact of life, and no amount of rationalizations by Rothfuss, who is talented enough to almost make me believe Sympathy could actually work, can make this plausible.

...not unless there is some sort of Word of Rothfuss that the humans of Ademre are fundamentally different, biologically, than the humans of Earth.

As far as his other books are concerned, I know that he said Doors of Stone is the end of Kvothe's story, but not the end of the Four Corners. I wonder if he will be mentioned in other books of the same universe? It would be interesting if Doors of Stone brought us up to date with Kvothe's story, but we learned of his future actions through the viewpoint of other characters in other books.

Although, honestly, after Doors of Stone is released I'm going to read it and then forget all about Rothfuss for a decade or two. His pace of writing is just not good for my sanity. Sanderson has spoiled me rotten!

[Shardmancer he/him]

@ Weeping Liar

 

I agree completely this wait is killing me and it only adds to the aniticipation and expectations of what to expect from his Novels.

 

I better get gold all this time your spinning... Appreciate your insight and cant wait to agrue more once DOS comes out!

[Laughing Fool he/him]

You know, I think I've overrepresented the things I didn't like about KKC, but only because I've spent years singing its praises.

A few observations that particularly interest me are:

There seems to be two sides to every magic system. For example, there is Sympathy and Sygaldry. Namers and 'Shapers' are often mentioned together. I suspect that Naming is the art of manipulating something through its True Name and that Shaping is the act of creating something by shaping a new True Name. Bast uses both glammorie and grimmorie (sp?), which I don't understand but seem to be creating illusions and affecting actual changes, respectively.

Haliax, while chastising him, asks Cinder who protects him from various organizations. One of these groups are "the singers." This could have two implications. First, the singers are just story tellers who preserve legends through their oral traditions; stories that the Chandrian want suppressed. The other possibility is that the act of singing a True Name increases your power over it. Note that Kvothe doesn't speak Felurian's True Name, he sings it.

Ever notice the similarities between the Edema Ruh and the Adem? I believe they share a common ancestry. They both have origins as wandering outcasts from society. It makes sense that, when the Adem settled down, some of them continued to wander. These would become the Edema Ruh. Even their names sound similar. Imagine the Edema Ruh as the Adem Ruh; Edema Ruh could mean something like, "Wandering Adem." Both cultures have an extreme respect for music, if expressed differently. Also, in both cultures the left hand is used to express emotions. The Adem with literal sign language, the Edema Ruh through their music. (Right handed musicians use their left hands to form chords while thw right hand strum. "This hand is clever (left), this hand is strong (right)." is a common Adem proverb.)

What is the Chandrian's plan? To release Iax from beyond the Doors of Stone, as he is likely powerful enough to break the curse on Haliax. I'm sure of it.

Edit: Also, Kvothe swears by his name, his power, and his good left hand that he won't try and find out who Denna's patron is. Now he is Kote, can't do magic or fight, and doesn't do magic anymore. These are things that required his name, power, and left hand to do. I guess he broke his promise.

Edited May 23, 2014 by Weeping Liar

[Shardmancer he/him]

Great site for notes and speculation on KKC- The SIngers http://kkc.wikia.com/wiki/The_Singers

 

PS: Yes true names can be shaped/changed like you said so perhaps Kote does not know sympathy or Naming- because Kvothe like Bast said is not pretending to be the bartender anymore but actually is him.

 

He tries to obviously to do sympathy and also some Ketan it seems "Perfect Step" at the end of WMF so I believe with Bast and Chronicler help he will recover his true idenity as Kvothe by the end of KKC

Edited May 23, 2014 by Shardmancer

[Swimmingly he/him]

You know, the unique warrior-culture living in the badlands having common roots with the pacifist storytellers has been done before, by an author I think we're all familiar with.

[Ryan he/him]

Are you saying Master Ash is supposed to be Sanderson? Because, well, no. Just, no. :0

[Argent he/him]

Oh, reddit, how have you corrupted me... 

 

Here's a video (linked after the 12-minute mark) from Phoenix ComicCon. In it Pat reads from The Slow Regard of Silent things, his upcoming Auri novella. 

 

Here's a link to the reddit... thread? Are they called threads?... if you want to join the discussion.

[Jedidiah he/him]

I'm nearly done with The Wise Man's Fear. Both books are easily two of the finest fantasy novels I've read. Often, I forget that I'm reading a book, and I think that I'm in Kote's inn listening to the story directly from him. It's a really different style than Brandon's works, which I'm happy about. I found it more akin to LoTR and Earthsea, personally. 

[Left he/him]

They really do just suck you in. Incredibly fine writing, as you said. It does harken back to Tolkien, you know except for the whole lustful faeiry queen thing.

[The Rooster he/him]

I just read The Lightning Tree from GRRM's Rouges anthology. Bast centric Short story. It's excellent. Evey one go read it so we can discuss!