The Nearest town....

[blad3mast3r]

So,

 

When Jasnah elsecalls out into the wilderness in the WoR epilog, Wit say that its "at least a week" to the nearest town

 

What if that town is Hearthstone?

 

 

Discuss.

Edited July 11, 2015 by blademaster

[MitchBade]

Didn't she end up in some mountains?

[LabRat]

I think it would be awesome if she arrives at Hearthstone a few weeks after Kaladin, hears tales about the "Valiant Darkeyed Knight who saved us all and is now living in the Lord's Manor", and decides that she's going to expose his "fraud" for the good of the townspeople.

[Oudeis]

At the end of Words of Radiance his eyes are permanently light...

 

Also, minor point. It was "at least a week", not four weeks.

[LabRat]

At the end of Words of Radiance his eyes are permanently light...

Also, minor point. It was "at least a week", not four weeks.

Yes, but the people of Hearthstone would recognize him as a Darkeyed, and I can definitely see Kaladin describing himself as Darkeyed regardless of what he sees in the mirror.

[Jit]

SA3 spoilers:

I thought his eye are only light when he has stormlight in him, and would dissipate after a little while. Not 100% sure about this but for some reason I feel I did read this somewhere.

Edited July 10, 2015 by Moogle
Please mark SA3 spoilers. (I know you didn't recall this was a SA3 spoiler, though.)

[Renarin_Kholin]

Here is the quote from SA3

He crested a hill, inspecting the landscape, as he did Syl zipped down in front of him, a ribbon of light, “Your eyes are brown again,” she noted. It took a few years without touching stormlight or summoning his Shardblade, once he did either thing his eyes would bleed to a glassy light blue, almost glowing. A few hours later they’d fade again. Syl found the variation fascinating.

Though remember that nothing is canon until print...

 

Edit: Here is the Link (Ctrl-F Hours for a quick find)

make sure to thumb up WeiryWriter I believe for the transcription...

Edited July 10, 2015 by Renarin_Kholin

[hoser]

Or here is a later version of the first chapter of SA3 on the Tor website. Not canon, Spoilers, small print, etc

Edited July 10, 2015 by hoser

[Jit]

Sorry and thanks Moogle

[Twenty@20]

So,

 

When Jasnah elsecalls out into the wilderness in the WoR epilog, Wit say that its "four weeks to the nearest town"

 

What if that town is Hearthstone?

 

 

Discuss.

Have been thinking of replying for a couple of days. So here it goes. At first sight this looks like wishful thinking. I mean doesn't Jasnah appear somewhere in the Unclaimed Hills east of Shattered Plains probably near Shallan's landing place. Because Wit mentions hills and the fact that they are at least a week away from civilization. Also as Jasnah mentions she was somewhat pressed at the time of her departure from Shadesmar so it make sense to just reappear beyond Shadesmar's land into Physical land closest to where her ship had drowned. That's a convoluted way of saying that she mostly likely had reappeared close to where Shallan was rescued by the slavers.

So I am assuming she escaped Shadesmar somewhere near the Expanse of Vapors. However a bit earlier in the epilogue chapter Wit mentions

A small river gurgled nearby, one of the few permanent waterways in this strange land. Extending in all directions were rolling hills, furrowed by passing water and grown over in the valleys with an odd kind of briar. Very few trees here, though farther west a true forest sprouted on the slopes down from the heights.

This mention of a river along with the fact that rivers are rare in Roshar is important because a map of Alethkar and Unclaimed Hills in WoK shows exactly two rivers. And one of them flows right by Hearthstone. Hurray.

So if Jasnah left Shadesmar from the direction of Expanse of Broken Sky, there is every possibility she appeared on the Northern coast of Alethkar near the Windrunner river. And if the map is any indication Hearthstone should be about a week or so away from the sea.

So fingers crossed. And by the way, Stormlight 3 is at 9%.

[Prince of Ravens]

I so wish they meet. They are both down to earth (down to stone/roshar?) characters with that silent, cold passion. It would be interesting to see their interaction. Hell, let's make it more interesting ... mayfly-December romance to spice it up. (nah, that would never happen)

[kaellok]

I so wish they meet. They are both down to earth (down to stone/roshar?) characters with that silent, cold passion. It would be interesting to see their interaction. Hell, let's make it more interesting ... mayfly-December romance to spice it up. (nah, that would never happen)

The word 'earth' works, because earth means "the substance of the land; soil" according to google..  Capitalized Earth is the proper noun that is the name we gave the planet we live upon.  So, in actuality, all three of the words you suggest can be correct, with earth or Roshar always being correct for the sentence you used them in. 

 

(Chimed in because of the MMORPG Rifts, which had a zone-rift quest thing where at some point there's a message that says something like, "Return them to the earth they came from!"  And inevitably half the zone would laugh at the 'typo' and suggest that it should have been the name of the planet which I forgot because that game's lore was entirely forgettable, and the other half would lecture at them as I did in the first paragraph.  And now you know.)

[Prince of Ravens]

The word 'earth' works, because earth means "the substance of the land; soil" according to google..  Capitalized Earth is the proper noun that is the name we gave the planet we live upon.  So, in actuality, all three of the words you suggest can be correct, with earth or Roshar always being correct for the sentence you used them in. 

 

(Chimed in because of the MMORPG Rifts, which had a zone-rift quest thing where at some point there's a message that says something like, "Return them to the earth they came from!"  And inevitably half the zone would laugh at the 'typo' and suggest that it should have been the name of the planet which I forgot because that game's lore was entirely forgettable, and the other half would lecture at them as I did in the first paragraph.  And now you know.)

But only Shinovar has actual earth aka soil. So the substance of the land in most of Roshar is not earth but stone. But that is off topic.

[Oudeis]

I read somewhere that our planets actual name is Terra (or Sol III) and that Earth is just a word that means, "my home planet", whichever one that happens to be. But I don't know if that's true.

[Sasori]

The truth is I want very much to see the meeting between Kaladin and Jasnah. Not for love interest (I would not mind, but I doubt it), I think the characters have personalities that will give us fun and interesting scenes and it fills me with anticipation.

Also I have to admit that I hope a character with whom Jasnah can break its shell a bit and I think Kaladin could be.

 

That said, I doubt that the meeting take place so soon... But if it happens, it means Sanderson has plans for these two ejejjejeejeje.

[WeiryWriter]

I read somewhere that our planets actual name is Terra (or Sol III) and that Earth is just a word that means, "my home planet", whichever one that happens to be. But I don't know if that's true.

 

Earth (as well as the Moon and the Sun) doesn't technically have an official scientific name (at least according to the International Astronomical Union whose job it is to name these things).  The word you use changes based on what language you are speaking, but for English that word is Earth.  Though sometimes the planet is referred to as "Terra" in science fiction stories and generally the word other languages use for the planet is synonymous with "earth".

 

[maxal]

 

The truth is I want very much to see the meeting between Kaladin and Jasnah. Not for love interest (I would not mind, but I doubt it), I think the characters have personalities that will give us fun and interesting scenes and it fills me with anticipation.

Also I have to admit that I hope a character with whom Jasnah can break its shell a bit and I think Kaladin could be.

 

That said, I doubt that the meeting take place so soon... But if it happens, it means Sanderson has plans for these two ejejjejeejeje.

 

 

Despite the evidence stating Jasnah most probably did not reappear near Heartstone, I too would like if she would meet up with Kaladin. I personally dislike when my characters are evolving alone: I prefer when they team up and interact. I agree the Kaladin/Jasnah interaction would be interesting, though not in a romantic way as I doubt we are going to see Jasnah ever go for romance. Brandon more or less confirmed this in a WoB where he states he did not intend to broach the subject of Jasnah's sexuality, unless it becomes relevant, but the phrasing implied he had no such plans.

 

Anyhow, I think bringing these two characters together would make a nice plot.

 

Another interesting plot for Jasnah is here rapidly making her way to the Shattered Plains oathgate and then to Urithiru. She would meet up again with her family and Shallan which, again, would be interesting as we have never seen her interact with them. The Navani/Jasnah reunion is bound to be emotive.

[Oudeis]

Earth (as well as the Moon and the Sun) doesn't technically have an official scientific name (at least according to the International Astronomical Union whose job it is to name these things).  The word you use changes based on what language you are speaking, but for English that word is Earth.  Though sometimes the planet is referred to as "Terra" in science fiction stories and generally the word other languages use for the planet is synonymous with "earth".

 

The dwarf planet currently known as Eris was briefly nicknamed Xena; I cannot find a source, but I heard (perhaps an urban legend) at the time that Eris was chosen when the team was told they couldn't call it Xena as sort-of a joke... Xena is played by Lucy Lawless... Eris, Goddess of chaos and discord or, y'know, lawlessness...

[blad3mast3r]

At the end of Words of Radiance his eyes are permanently light...

 

Also, minor point. It was "at least a week", not four weeks.

 

changed now

[kaellok]

But only Shinovar has actual earth aka soil. So the substance of the land in most of Roshar is not earth but stone. But that is off topic.

Which is why I mentioned that the option of "stone" would work, as well!  Also, 'fun' fact about the word terra/Terra: it is Latin for earth, lower-case.  So even in sci-fi shows where Earth is being called Terra, they're saying the exact same thing

 

On-topic: erm.  I think that a meeting between Jasnah and Roshone would be far more interesting than Kaladin meeting up with him again, so here's another vote for hoping Jasnah is near Hearthstone.  And gets there before Kaladin.  And takes care of everything.  And then when he finally arrives, all he can do is

[Kelek's Breath]

While the interaction between Jasnah and Kaladin will be a dynamic one (guaranteed they will butt heads over everything), she else-called to a place where there are mountains to the west. Hearthstone doesn not have mountains (as far as maps and in-world descriptions go). However, Kholinar has rivers and also mountains west of it, which makes it more likely that, a)Jasnah is close by to the capital and b)when Kaladin makes his way there from Heartstone, they will meet there. Makes for a more dramatic confrontation, when 2 Radiants with different objectives (1 to protect, the other has no qualms about removing 'festering wounds') meet. At least that's how I would write it.

Edited July 11, 2015 by Kelek's Breath

[Seloun]

From a Doylist perspective it's quite likely that Jasnah is near Hearthstone or at least somewhere she's likely to come across Kaladin quickly. This is due to the number of distinct POVs we're looking at for book 3:

 

- One almost always in Urithiru (Dalinar/Adolin, maybe Shallan)

- Szeth

- Kaladin

- Likely someone acting as a herald for Urithiru (e.g. to Azish and Lift - also could be Shallan or Adolin)

- Eshonai (though she may be skipped in book 3 a la Jasnah in book 2)

 

Given Sanderson's experience with WoT, I'd imagine he'd want to avoid FourLinesAllWaiting.

 

It's unlikely Jasnah will be near Shallan, since that would intrude on Shallan's Ghostblood storyline. Likewise Kaladin probably won't be with Shallan for most of the book, in order for the Helaran Chekhov's Gun to play out (too easy for Kaladin to provide a good explanation if he's in easy communication when she learns of it). It also seems unlikely that Szeth will be anywhere near either protagonist (in terms of communication - could potentially be physically close, of course) given the amount of development he's probably going to go through. Basically Kaladin is the best choice for Jasnah to be around for most of book 3, and given the number of other POV lines to pursue it seems likely her perspective will end up getting merged with someone else.

[Wolven]

So,

When Jasnah elsecalls out into the wilderness in the WoR epilog, Wit say that its "at least a week" to the nearest town

What if that town is Hearthstone?

Discuss.

That would be awesome if it was. I am really looking forward to how those two would act around each other. Of course though, I am one of those who would love to see a Jasnah/Kaladin pairing rather than Shallan/Kaladin. Not likely to happen sure but...one can dream yes?

 

Here is the quote from SA3

He crested a hill, inspecting the landscape, as he did Syl zipped down in front of him, a ribbon of light, “Your eyes are brown again,” she noted. It took a few years without touching stormlight or summoning his Shardblade, once he did either thing his eyes would bleed to a glassy light blue, almost glowing. A few hours later they’d fade again. Syl found the variation fascinating.

Though remember that nothing is canon until print...

Edit: Here is the Link (Ctrl-F Hours for a quick find)

make sure to thumb up WeiryWriter I believe for the transcription...

Hmm, I wonder if there is something similar going on there as with his slave brands. The Stormlight doesn't heal that because it's part of how he sees himself right? Maybe that's why his eyes go back?

Edited July 12, 2015 by Moogle
Please don't double post.

[maxal]

From a Doylist perspective it's quite likely that Jasnah is near Hearthstone or at least somewhere she's likely to come across Kaladin quickly. This is due to the number of distinct POVs we're looking at for book 3:

 

- One almost always in Urithiru (Dalinar/Adolin, maybe Shallan)

- Szeth

- Kaladin

- Likely someone acting as a herald for Urithiru (e.g. to Azish and Lift - also could be Shallan or Adolin)

- Eshonai (though she may be skipped in book 3 a la Jasnah in book 2)

 

Given Sanderson's experience with WoT, I'd imagine he'd want to avoid FourLinesAllWaiting.

 

It's unlikely Jasnah will be near Shallan, since that would intrude on Shallan's Ghostblood storyline. Likewise Kaladin probably won't be with Shallan for most of the book, in order for the Helaran Chekhov's Gun to play out (too easy for Kaladin to provide a good explanation if he's in easy communication when she learns of it). It also seems unlikely that Szeth will be anywhere near either protagonist (in terms of communication - could potentially be physically close, of course) given the amount of development he's probably going to go through. Basically Kaladin is the best choice for Jasnah to be around for most of book 3, and given the number of other POV lines to pursue it seems likely her perspective will end up getting merged with someone else.

 

I agree the number of potential plot lines has worried me deeply. I too feared the story may get too sprawled. Kaladin in one place, Jasnah in another, Szeth doing I do not know what, the rest in Urithiru.... I am worried: too much going on. 

 

In the case of Jasnah, there is no telling if she will have a significant role to play within book 3. As of now, she has not been a POV character and considering how much else is going on, Jasnah trekking in the middle of nowhere can easily be covered by a few interlude chapters. 

 

When I was a simple casual reader, I never thought Jasnah was a very important character. She has had close to no POV and whereas her come-back we neat, I did not expect her to play a large role into the next book. I only believe she MAY be because Brandon has named her as one of his main protagonists. Without this precious knowledge, I would have never pinned her as one of the main ones.

 

The more aware reader I now am expects her to play a large role but this is only because Brandon said she was getting a flashback and she was one of the big 10. Without this precious information, I would have thought her plot line would either fit within an interlude chapter or be merged with someone else early on. I am still rooting for number 2 because Jasnah having her dedicated plot line now does not make sense.

[Twenty@20]

While the interaction between Jasnah and Kaladin will be a dynamic one (guaranteed they will butt heads over everything), she else-called to a place where there are mountains to the west. Hearthstone doesn not have mountains (as far as maps and in-world descriptions go). However, Kholinar has rivers and also mountains west of it, which makes it more likely that, a)Jasnah is close by to the capital and b)when Kaladin makes his way there from Heartstone, they will meet there. Makes for a more dramatic confrontation, when 2 Radiants with different objectives (1 to protect, the other has no qualms about removing 'festering wounds') meet. At least that's how I would write it.

If you look at the Alethkar map closely, there a small mountain range just east of Hearthstone. Probably Jasnah appeared on the other side of that mountain. There are also quite a few unnamed streams near-by draining into the bay. So Wit and Jasnah would have to travel west, crossing the mountain and they would reach Hearthstone. Anyhow this is all guesswork and your guess is as good as mine provided Jasnah meets Kaladin sooner than later.