Inquisitor fight

[Voidus]

You can't store wakefulness while asleep. Storing it does not leave you more rested.

I was wondering whether or not I'd need to add that technically it wasn't sleep should know better, always be technical on 17th shard. Yeah it's not true sleep but it's the only metal which can be stored in a sleep-like state. You have to be conscious for the other ones (I'll try and find a citation for that, I think that was per Sazed.)

[Oudeis he/him]

(I'll try and find a citation for that, I think that was per Sazed.)

If memory serves it was during Well of Ascension when Sazed was first storing in those rings.

[Satsuoni he/him]

Um, Nepene:

He should probably be lying down—but if he did that, he was liable to sleep. And, while sleeping, he couldn’t fill metalminds—or, at least, he could fill only one. A bronzemind, the metal that stored wakefulness, would force him to sleep longer in exchange for letting him go longer without sleep on another occasion.

From well of ascension.

So, yeah, you totally can... don't listen to RPG too much.

[Oudeis he/him]

Um, Nepene:

From well of ascension.

So, yeah, you totally can... don't listen to RPG too much.

I'm reasonably sure that whether or not you are "asleep" is arguable, and more a philosophical point than an important technical distinction. What seems obvious is this: If you bronzesleep to store in your metalmind, when you "wake up" you are neither any more tired nor awake than you'd been when you went to bronzesleep. I wonder if you bronzedream...

[Satsuoni he/him]

Well, the point is, you can store it while, from your POV and that of outside observers "sleeping".

Obviously, you need to sleep enough to both recover and store, since simple storage won't get you more recovered, although it may get you more tired (at the same rate as any non-sleeping activity, though... ok not sure). Still, apparently you can regulate the process subconsciously, combining sleep and storage.

And back to the topic - I'd go with nicrosil, I think... and a flamethrower. Non-metallic/aluminum alloy one. Or double nicrosil...

[dj26792 he/him]

I still haven't seen any argument that leads me to consider anything other than chromium-steel, especially against a Lord Ruler era Inquisitor who doesn't have steel feruchemy, I can comfortably outpace the inquisitor allowing a solid blow which will destroy their metal reserves, and then while they're blind and in shock I can have the linchpin spike out really quickly, I would use an obsidian dagger as my only weapon and it would be driven in next to the lynch spike and used to enlarge the hole the spike is in and thus make it easier to remove, alternately an axe to remove said inquisitors head while running past really quickly, thats what I'd do if I had to be a ferring, worst case scenario he blocks and loses a hand and I try again.

[Voidus]

I'd prefer Nicrosil to Chromium because it's more widely useful, you can aid other mistings as well in the fight and (Assuming that their sight is based on burning Iron) not only would you blind them (and if you timed it as they were pushing on something else you could easily just crush them into something) but because they'd get a massive flash of picture first it'd definitely disorient them.

[king of nowhere]

If I were a regular misting facing an inquisitor, I'd try not to attracct attention. if the inquisotor was after me, I'd run as hard as I could. there's no way, short of a deus ex machina, a misting can be more than a speed bump for a full inquisitor.

[Nepene he/him]

I'd prefer Nicrosil to Chromium because it's more widely useful, you can aid other mistings as well in the fight and (Assuming that their sight is based on burning Iron) not only would you blind them (and if you timed it as they were pushing on something else you could easily just crush them into something) but because they'd get a massive flash of picture first it'd definitely disorient them.

The problem is that the inquisitor may well be doing some attack against you, such as a pewter aided punch or some emotional allomancy. If you burst him then suddenly he's going to be hitting you with more force than a truck or destroying your emotional stability.

From well of ascension.

So, yeah, you totally can... don't listen to RPG too much.

Your quote in no way contradicts mine. As it says, true sleep is different. And it seems everyone knew it anyway.

[Voidus]

The problem is that the inquisitor may well be doing some attack against you, such as a pewter aided punch or some emotional allomancy. If you burst him then suddenly he's going to be hitting you with more force than a truck or destroying your emotional stability.

Well that's easily solved by just not doing it as they're about to punch you, plus if you can tap speed you could dodge it anyway. And I don't think Inquisitors would usually use emotional allomancy offensively so the same on that one.

[dj26792 he/him]

As has already been said, there are many potential problems with bursting, not the least of which is the fact that you can't know what they are doing with all their powers when you burst them, and it also only gets the powers they are currently using (source) as opposed to chromium which destroys all reserves. It is particularly worth noting the possibility that inquisitors can see with either Iron or Steel, and could therefore not be blinded by your first attempt at bursting them at which point they know to flee. I don't know if that's right or not, but the possibility makes bursting less attractive.

[Voidus]

Steelrunner wins in a race anyway so if they run it suits me, and you can always just keep Nicrobursting them if they use new metals, as for what they're affecting if it was anything to do with you you'd notice, so it can only affect other things. The difference is that you can actually use Nicrosil offensively, wheras Chromium (Especially without any other abilities) Just puts them on a level with you, not to mention all they need to do is down another vial of metal and they're fine again. If you Nicroburst their vision they're going to be disoriented and probably stay blind for quite some time, if you Leech them they just need another vial and they can see perfectly fine again and can use their metals at will, but even if they replenish their metals from a Nicroburst they know they have to be careful about using them or you'll turn it against them.

[Eric]

The problem with Nicrosil is that they can also use your Bursting offensively. There's not a Lord Ruler damned thing they can turn to their benefit about being stripped of their metals. You are totally correct about the limitations of Leeching and the benefit of an unexpected Bursting, though. That's why I said outright I wouldn't expect to survive long enough to actually take out the Inquisitor with just Chromium.

[Voidus]

Yeeah it's definitely safer to use Chromium instead, it's pretty well balanced actually, Using Nicrosil offensively runs a much higher risk but also for a potential reward, if you have Feruchemy I'd say that Chromium is the better option because once they are Leeched you can use your feruchemy to overpower them but if it was just a misting I'd go Nicro because you could actually damage them enough just with that.

[dj26792 he/him]

An alternate idea I came up with to beat an inquisitor, full aluminium alloy plate mail, complete skin coverage and a mesh over the eye slit, an aluminum broad sword for a weapon and no metallic arts required, invisibility is here. As is immunity to most of the inquisitors powers, if you add in either form of pewter you can actually counter all an inquisitors powers other than rapid healing, and being invisible is a significant advantage in a fight.

[Voidus]

Well they could just float in the air pelting you with coins, plus that much aluminium during the days of the inquisitors is going to be nigh impossible to find.

[dj26792 he/him]

How will they pelt you with coins if they can't see you?

Also I would advise with this strategy going for the head with the first stroke, because they can run away with their steel and iron powers, or get in a lucky blow, but essentially if you're invisible the first onslaught is unstoppable if you use it right you can win with impunity.

[Voidus]

I don't think you'd be invisible, you'd just be black instead of blue. Plus there will need to be gaps if you want to breath.

[dj26792 he/him]

you leave gaps, but have overlap, its doable, alternately chain mail would probably have better coverage and still do the job of hiding you. and yeah potentially you would be noticeable as a blank patch, particularly after the inquisitor new where you were, hence my proposal that you make it quick. Also pick where you attack from, behind in a location with low concentrations of metal so its less obvious.

[Voidus]

And for someone with Tin any kind of mail is a dead give away because of the sound.

[Vindicator]

I think the best way is to attack an Inquisitor from far away. It's pretty hard to kill one in melee combat - not only are they stronger, they can heal themselves if needed. If you could use something like the stone-tipped arrows Vin had, and shoot it with enough force to puncture their brain it might work.

Also, I'm curious. Besides Kelsier, Vin, Sazed and Elend, has anyone else ever fought an Inquisitor and won? I'd love to ask Brandon this.

Edited January 21, 2013 by Vindicator

[dj26792 he/him]

Well for something definitely not possible in any of the era's of scadrial we've seen thus far, the aluminium 50 calibre sniper rifle from 1km away firing aluminium rounds... we know beheading kills them, does making their head explode count?

Seriously though, if I was a good enough shot that would be how I would choose to start a fight with an inquisitor, from a long way away with a headshot from a semi automatic sniper rifle, and I would follow it up with the rest of the magazine into its body, I figure 10 bullets into it before it hits the ground if it isn't dead at least I'll have plenty of time for a getaway.

For more realistic in-world options I'm still looking at the Chromium steel option, the aluminium armour I think could work with appropriate planning, but another one is steel compounder, charge in, jump, fly forwards and grab its eye spikes and push yourself away.

[Voidus]

Well for something definitely not possible in any of the era's of scadrial we've seen thus far, the aluminium 50 calibre sniper rifle from 1km away firing aluminium rounds.

This. Definitely this.

but another one is steel compounder, charge in, jump, fly forwards and grab its eye spikes and push yourself away.

EDIT: And this.

Edited January 21, 2013 by Voidus

[Vindicator]

Well for something definitely not possible in any of the era's of scadrial we've seen thus far, the aluminium 50 calibre sniper rifle from 1km away firing aluminium rounds... we know beheading kills them, does making their head explode count?

Seriously though, if I was a good enough shot that would be how I would choose to start a fight with an inquisitor, from a long way away with a headshot from a semi automatic sniper rifle, and I would follow it up with the rest of the magazine into its body, I figure 10 bullets into it before it hits the ground if it isn't dead at least I'll have plenty of time for a getaway.

For more realistic in-world options I'm still looking at the Chromium steel option, the aluminium armour I think could work with appropriate planning, but another one is steel compounder, charge in, jump, fly forwards and grab its eye spikes and push yourself away.

As long you remove their heads, it should be okay, regardless of decapitation or explosion, since it removes the spikes as well.

[Voidus]

You don't need to be a good shot to hit an inquisitor. Just magnetize the bullet